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Thread: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

  1. #1676

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    How do you think the killing of a terrorist ....or freedom fighter some might say .....by a leader who doesn't want Palestinians given a home .....will lead to some sort of compromise?

    It's just going to create many more martyrs and more attacks by extremists on people at musical festivals

    It might not happen this year but it will happen
    I love how the man who cannot talk about the main centre-right party in the UK without labelling people scum is all "one mans terrorist is another man's freedom fighter!" when it comes to the murderous freak Sinwar. Of course, that sentiment is correct but Christ alive you are inconsistent!

    You had a bit of a rant at me last night for hoping his death may prove a turning point...but that is pretty much what Harris, Biden and Starmer have said so it doesn't seem unreasonable to me

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...eath-reactions

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...easefire-calls

    https://www.gbnews.com/politics/poli...ive-leadership

  2. #1677

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    I love how the man who cannot talk about the main centre-right party in the UK without labelling people scum is all "one mans terrorist is another man's freedom fighter!" when it comes to the murderous freak Sinwar. Of course, that sentiment is correct but Christ alive you are inconsistent!

    You had a bit of a rant at me last night for hoping his death may prove a turning point...but that is pretty much what Harris, Biden and Starmer have said so it doesn't seem unreasonable to me

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...eath-reactions

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...easefire-calls

    https://www.gbnews.com/politics/poli...ive-leadership
    You are incredibly naive. After the murder of this man Sinwar many many more will rise up to take his place. The loss of life in the Middle East will only rise significantly.

  3. #1678

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    Likud need Hamas as an excuse to create a Greater Israel. If they are allowed to pursue their clandestine aims by the appeasing West, Netanyahu might eventually annexe Lebanon, Syria and Jordan. Who knows, with US backing they might consider Iran fair game for conquest.
    There are some who feel that Israeli government's have funded Hamas to maintain an environment that allows them to strengthen opinion to pursue their own aims of Greater Israel.

  4. #1679

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    You are incredibly naive. After the murder of this man Sinwar many many more will rise up to take his place. The loss of life in the Middle East will only rise significantly.
    That assumes that every war is perpetual and never had turning points. And that isn't true.

    There's no nativity. It could be a turning point.

  5. #1680

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Jordi Cul View Post
    There are some who feel that Israeli government's have funded Hamas to maintain an environment that allows them to strengthen opinion to pursue their own aims of Greater Israel.
    Think you meant to post this in the conspiracy theory thread? It is a great example of a left-wing one btw, which some denied existed!

  6. #1681

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    That assumes that every war is perpetual and never had turning points. And that isn't true.

    There's no nativity. It could be a turning point.
    It's more than naivety, it's childlike! You've obviously been reading Children's Stories by Uncle Bibi Netanyahu.

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    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Jordi Cul View Post
    If the murderous cuunt got topped in the next few weeks there really could be an opportunity for change in the region.

    I've held the view for years that the Likud Party and it's other zionist parties need Hamas and vice versa.
    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Think you meant to post this in the conspiracy theory thread? It is a great example of a left-wing one btw, which some denied existed!
    Likud have been open about their promotion (and funding) of Hamas for more than 20 years - to undermine Fatah.

    It is no secret. The western liberal media have even started reporting on it (and quoting Bibi and other Likud leaders) in recent months.

    This is real. Not a theory.

  8. #1683

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Jordi Cul View Post
    There are some who feel that Israeli government's have funded Hamas to maintain an environment that allows them to strengthen opinion to pursue their own aims of Greater Israel.
    I can't claim to have any proof of that but it certainly sounds very plausible. The level of naivety, compliance and partisanship of the West leaves me cold.

  9. #1684

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    It's more than naivety, it's childlike! You've obviously been reading Children's Stories by Uncle Bibi Netanyahu.
    Hmm, shall I believe the world leaders in the world media on this, or the guy on the football message board?

  10. #1685

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Likud have been open about their promotion (and funding) of Hamas for more than 20 years - to undermine Fatah.

    It is no secret. The western liberal media have even started reporting on it (and quoting Bibi and other Likud leaders) in recent months.

    This is real. Not a theory.
    Don't dispute it, but as a means to play people off against each other. Much the same way as the US funded Afghan Islamists against the Soviets.

    To suggest it's to create a greater Israel right across the middle East - that's a conspiracy theory. As with them all, there may be elements of truth in it but it's also not reality.

  11. #1686

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Hmm, shall I believe the world leaders in the world media on this, or the guy on the football message board?
    Hmm! Knowing you, you are likely to believe the Tooth Fairy!

  12. #1687

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    Hmm! Knowing you, you are likely to believe the Tooth Fairy!
    No, we've established that I'm opting with the world leaders on this one, instead of the guy on the football message board.

    How much you leaving for a tooth nowadays?!

  13. #1688

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    No, we've established that I'm opting with the world leaders on this one, instead of the guy on the football message board.

    How much you leaving for a tooth nowadays?!
    I don't think we've established anything at all. I'm not aware of your opting for the Leader of Iran for example! Are you skimming things again or just bogged down reading too much Harry Potter?

  14. #1689

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    No, we've established that I'm opting with the world leaders on this one, instead of the guy on the football message board.

    How much you leaving for a tooth nowadays?!
    Sorry I missed your aside. In your case maybe I should leave a Shekel

  15. #1690

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    Sorry I missed your aside. In your case maybe I should leave a Shekel
    Of no use to me I'm afraid, I don't live in Israel!

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    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Don't dispute it, but as a means to play people off against each other. Much the same way as the US funded Afghan Islamists against the Soviets.

    To suggest it's to create a greater Israel right across the middle East - that's a conspiracy theory. As with them all, there may be elements of truth in it but it's also not reality.
    The particular version of political Zionism that Likud and their allies (some fascist) are pushing is exactly to create a Greater Israel across Israel/Palestine and parts of Jordan, Lebanon and Syria.

    Again they are not shy about it - it is part of the public discourse in Israel.

    Divide and rule. Settlement expansion. Ethnic cleansing. Genocide. Funding and promoting Hamas. All part of the same process.

    Not a conspiracy theory.

  17. #1692

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    The particular version of political Zionism that Likud and their allies (some fascist) are pushing is exactly to create a Greater Israel across Israel/Palestine and parts of Jordan, Lebanon and Syria.

    Again they are not shy about it - it is part of the public discourse in Israel.

    Divide and rule. Settlement expansion. Ethnic cleansing. Genocide. Funding and promoting Hamas. All part of the same process.

    Not a conspiracy theory.
    Dorcus mentioned the entirety of those countries earlier and even Iran.

    There is no evidence for that whatsoever. And again, we see that when it is one side, it is fair game to create as fact something that simply isn't so.

    We know there are border disputes, we know Israel are very aggressive in defending them and expanding beyond them. The idea of greater Israel stretching from Mt Sinai to Tehran. I'm sorry, it's a conspiracy theory.

  18. #1693

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Of no use to me I'm afraid, I don't live in Israel!
    Possibly spiritually, no?

  19. #1694

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Dorcus mentioned the entirety of those countries earlier and even Iran.

    There is no evidence for that whatsoever. And again, we see that when it is one side, it is fair game to create as fact something that simply isn't so.

    We know there are border disputes, we know Israel are very aggressive in defending them and expanding beyond them. The idea of greater Israel stretching from Mt Sinai to Tehran. I'm sorry, it's a conspiracy theory.
    How could you possibly know otherwise?

  20. #1695

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    How could you possibly know otherwise?
    The same can be said about absolutely anything referring to the future.

  21. #1696

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Dorcus mentioned the entirety of those countries earlier and even Iran.

    There is no evidence for that whatsoever. And again, we see that when it is one side, it is fair game to create as fact something that simply isn't so.

    We know there are border disputes, we know Israel are very aggressive in defending them and expanding beyond them. The idea of greater Israel stretching from Mt Sinai to Tehran. I'm sorry, it's a conspiracy theory.
    No hay ningunos qu son tan ciegos qu ellos qu no quiesen ver

  22. #1697

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    The same can be said about absolutely anything referring to the future.
    Complacency makes slaves of us all

  23. #1698

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    No hay ningunos qu son tan ciegos qu ellos qu no quiesen ver
    Again, right out of the conspiracy theory play book.

  24. #1699

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Again, right out of the conspiracy theory play book.
    Again, incomprehensibly myopic as usual. Do you get tucked up in bed each night by someone reading right wing fairy stories to you?

  25. #1700

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    No hay ningunos qu son tan ciegos qu ellos qu no quiesen ver
    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    Again, incomprehensibly myopic as usual. Do you get tucked up in bed each night by someone reading right wing fairy stories to you?
    "They just can't see it man!"

    Mental how you can't see that you sound exactly like the conspiracy theorists you are criticising on this thread here.

    Bonkers. I thought you were joking when you mentioned the tooth fairy earlier. Im starting to think you feel she's a mossad agent.

    https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...iracy-theories

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