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    Re: Palestine Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Elwood Blues View Post
    No, in the post I replied to, Jon starts with the words 'Violent application of red paint ' which refers to the Brize Norton incident, not the one he mentions in a separate post referring to the Palestinian action group ( who in the separate post from Jon were carrying placards not singing)

    Thus I took him to be comparing the Brize Norton incident to the Dorset protest the Guardian piece he mentions is talking about which, to me, is a nonsense.

    If he wants to compare the Dorset protest to the Palestinian Action group and their placards that is a more valid comparison.

    But it depends on what the placards said, ( and in the interest of justice, which songs are being sung in the Dorset protests ) which we don't know from Jon's posts

    That is exactly what I was doing - and trying to give James's ridiculous defence of Yvette Cooper a poke!

    The 'nonsense' is the whole point - but unfortunately satire is dead.

    However, the comparison of Palestine Action with the Dorset trespassers is far less nonsensical than the comparison of Palestine Action with ISIS.

    On the same day that Parliament backed Cooper's order to proscribe Palestine Action many of the leading supporters of that action were celebrating the Suffragettes. As they should. But the suffragettes - alongside non violent actions of the type familiar from Extinction Rebellion, Greenpeace and Palestine Action like chaining themselves to railings and graffiti - also carried out a bombing and arson campaign that killed 4 and injured 20-30.

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/25...estine-action/

    It is the hypocrisy, the double standards and the abuse of state power that I am trying to highlight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    That is exactly what I was doing - and trying to give James's ridiculous defence of Yvette Cooper a poke!

    The 'nonsense' is the whole point - but unfortunately satire is dead.

    However, the comparison of Palestine Action with the Dorset trespassers is far less nonsensical than the comparison of Palestine Action with ISIS.

    On the same day that Parliament backed Cooper's order to proscribe Palestine Action many of the leading supporters of that action were celebrating the Suffragettes. As they should. But the suffragettes - alongside non violent actions of the type familiar from Extinction Rebellion, Greenpeace and Palestine Action like chaining themselves to railings and graffiti - also carried out a bombing and arson campaign that killed 4 and injured 20-30.

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/25...estine-action/

    It is the hypocrisy, the double standards and the abuse of state power that I am trying to highlight.
    Who compared Palestine Action to ISIS?!

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    Re: Palestine Action

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Who compared Palestine Action to ISIS?!
    The Home Secretary, 385 MPs and the House of Lords!

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    Re: Palestine Action

    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    The Home Secretary, 385 MPs and the House of Lords!
    Well they became a proscribed group, but no one has compared them to ISIS!

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    Re: Palestine Action

    Statement issued by the JSG on Friday 4 July:

    Jewish Socialists’ Group statement against the proscription of Palestine Action

    The Jewish Socialists’ Group stands for, and in defence of, peace, justice and equality for the Palestinian people, and strongly opposes the British Government’s attempt to proscribe Palestine Action.

    Jewish Socialists' Group

    • Human rights – including the rights to free speech and non-violent protest – are universal and inalienable: governments may not pick and choose which rights are respected and who they apply to.

    • We have not been handed these rights. Each one has been fought for, usually in circumstances requiring great courage and conviction, often risking life and liberty.

    • This latest manifestation of our government’s authoritarianism rings warning bells for all of us. We identify with those Jews across the world who have always been in the forefront of protests to defend human rights and to resist attempts by those in power to dismantle democracy, and with those who are building on that legacy today.

    • We stand in solidarity with those who are being targeted precisely because their protests are effective in raising awareness and illuminating actions by governments and state institutions that are criminal, corrupt or just wrong.

    • We oppose our government’s complicity with the genocide being committed in Palestine, and support all the courageous human rights defenders in Israel who are standing against their government’s war crimes.

    • The term “terrorism” has always been used by states against non-state groups that pose an effective challenge to their power and authority. It is clear that an organisation like Palestine Action – which is advocating for peace and to prevent actual terror and war crimes against civilians – are not terrorising anyone.

    • The Jewish Socialists’ Group rejects attempts by the self-appointed leaders and invented representatives of the Jewish community to silence, co-opt or threaten Jewish people and groups who refuse to conform to their authorised version of Jewish opinion. They do not represent our diverse, vibrant and conflicted community, and we will not be used by them as a weapon to attack supporters of the Palestinian people.



    https://www.jewishsocialist.org.uk/n...lestine-action

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    Re: Palestine Action

    Statement issued by Jewish Voice for Labour on Wednesday 2 July:

    Proscribing Palestine Action is an Outrage!

    It is a new low from this government, using accusations of terrorism to clamp down on dissent.

    It is an attack on free speech and the right to non-violent protest in the UK – a right Keir Starmer once defended but has now shamefully abandoned.

    It threatens the fabric of our democracy. A direct action protest group will be classified as a terrorist organisation, joining the likes of Islamic State and al-Qaida. There is no resemblance.

    Palestine Action does not advocate for violent armed action or for people to be harmed, It exists to decommission weapons used to commit war crimes. It breaks the law to prevent an even greater breach of the law.

    The government has capitulated to pro-Israel pressure groups such as the Jewish Leadership Council, We Believe in Israel and the so-called Campaign Against Antisemitism.

    Liberty, Amnesty International and the European Legal Support Center have submitted witness statements supporting PA’s case alleging the unlawful misuse of anti-terror measures to criminalise dissent.

    A senior civil servant reports that Home Office staff are concerned about the “absurd” decision to ban Palestine Action under anti-terrorism laws: “It’s…a blatant misuse of anti-terror laws for political purposes to clamp down on protests which are affecting the profits of arms companies.”

    The order makes any and every action in support of Palestine a possible terrorist offence as this might be construed as support for Palestine Action’s goal of “solidarity with the Palestinian people”.

    The government is using anti-terrorist laws to cover up its embarrassment at the poor security at bases where PA actions have taken place.

    Home Secretary Yvette Cooper engages in a cynical ploy by naming Palestine Action in a proscription order alongside 2 obscure Russian neo-nazi groups ‘Maniac Murder Cult’ and ‘Russian Imperialist Movement’ (RIM), forcing MPs to vote to approve all three bans or to reject all three.

    We say:

    We oppose the proscription of Palestine Action and send them our solidarity.

    We support the right for people to engage in direct action to prevent greater harm for example, in recent years, for Palestine, to limit environmental catastrophe, to support the rights of asylum seekers or to oppose racism.

    We view the actions of Palestine Action as a justifiable response to the brutal occupation of Palestine and the ongoing genocide of Palestinians.



    https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org...is-an-outrage/

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