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    Early thoughts on hopes and expectations for next season.

    Expectations: are that we will sign three or four players who prove their worth, hopefully amongst them will be a ‘leader’, that the spends will be modest in terms of fees and wages thus helping to maintain the squad ethos and limit increasing the debt even more and that we will finish mid to lower table, which would still be a step forward.
    Hopes: first and foremost that we avoid the relegation scrap. I would love to see us have a good start and be mid table or higher at the end of December with positive transfer choices to make during the window. That the ‘graduates’ and other squad members continue their personal momentum towards being better players.

    In terms of playing style I expect it to be similar although not sure that it suits Salech.
    My hopes are that we are better at breaking down stubborn defences and that we concede less breakaway goals and are always competitive.

    And that we score from set pieces

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    I think the style of play and structure to how we play has now had a full year to bed in and our control of the ball is a massive advantage over where we were two years ago. We maybe won't have quite as much possession in all matches of course but it will be enough to keep us in many.

    Predicting a mid table season, we will surprise a few and I do think we will take a few beatings where we aren't quite on our game but overall will be fine.

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    I'm expecting extremely high tempo high press football

    The team needs to improve significantly for this to be successful as a lot of team are direct in the Championship and we are a bit soft in my opinion. There are a lot of 'monster' centre forwards out there like Osmajic, Ivanovic, Riis, Bishop and Kieffer/Sturridge that will try to bully us and christ we were dodgy on defending corners last season so when the centre halves come up I do panic

    As always a decent start is required - it will change the way the opposition plays us

    At the moment I'm still more looking forward to it than I have been for a while

    I think we'll score plenty but concede plenty as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by binman View Post
    I'm expecting extremely high tempo high press football

    The team needs to improve significantly for this to be successful as a lot of team are direct in the Championship and we are a bit soft in my opinion. There are a lot of 'monster' centre forwards out there like Osmajic, Ivanovic, Riis, Bishop and Kieffer/Sturridge that will try to bully us and christ we were dodgy on defending corners last season so when the centre halves come up I do panic

    As always a decent start is required - it will change the way the opposition plays us

    At the moment I'm still more looking forward to it than I have been for a while

    I think we'll score plenty but concede plenty as well
    High tempo football may be difficult as we have a huge problem attacking at speed.

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    I agree with Phil and co - Winty was let go cos BBM has a better replacement IMO - we will be 8th in final table

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    Bit of a nothing season where we finish 12th I recon. Which I would actually be quite pleased with. Keep hold of BBM and push for the play offs the year after.

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    Experienced centre midfielder and experienced centre half signed.

    Be the first team to put 3 attacking players in attacking positions when we are defending corners and free kicks, thus doing away with all the pushing & shoving in the box

    Shoot more when we are outside the opposition’s box and not tippy tappy about looking for the perfect goal !

    Oh, and a goalie on the bench

    That’s me happy

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    Someone to compete with/complement/substitute for Salech would be novel.

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    Thriving not surviving.

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    Re: Early thoughts on hopes and expectations for next season.

    For me. I agree with a lot of what Blueaway says. We need a defensive midfielder who can play football in the BBM mode. A speedy winger who can cross the ball. And as well as the current CBs have played we will assuredly get found out when we’re up against big strikers who know where the goal is. We need a CB in the mould of that twat with the binoculars that plays for Southampton .

    Harwood-Bellend…but not him specifically

    A back up for Salech and a Plan B for when things go tits up

    I predict; A comfortable mid table finish playing the same brand of football but without too much drama

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    Re: Early thoughts on hopes and expectations for next season.

    I think we could finish the top half; it's really hard to predict as such an even league, anyone can beat anyone, but it's hard to hit the top eight this season with Southampton staying down and so many other good teams in the league.

    Even Bulut got us to the top half in his full season with an embargo, painful watch though.

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    Re: Early thoughts on hopes and expectations for next season.

    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post
    Experienced centre midfielder and experienced centre half signed.

    Be the first team to put 3 attacking players in attacking positions when we are defending corners and free kicks, thus doing away with all the pushing & shoving in the box

    Shoot more when we are outside the opposition’s box and not tippy tappy about looking for the perfect goal !

    Oh, and a goalie on the bench

    That’s me happy
    A long throw into the box would be nice in this league.

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    Move on Chambers Willock and Turnbull. All 3 had decent seasons but their performances in the Championship last time were a big reason for our relegation.

    Replace with 3 upgrades particularly a dominant CB.

    Left back to challenge Bagan. Back up / challenge Salech.

    Kellyman returning as long as hes not going to play up front would be good as well.

    Realistically we cant move on Chambers and Co so hopefully they are far better this time round under BBM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue View Post
    A long throw into the box would be nice in this league.
    Just being able to take a decent normal throw would be nice.

    Set pieces need a major upgrade.

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    We will need better players at championship level, there's not much doubt about that, but as important as being decent with a ball will be their mentality.
    We have a fair few players who have pretty much failed at Championship level over the past few years, and that's a sticking point for me.
    Being winners at league 1 level can hopefully create momentum and confidence, and having a coach in Barry Murphy who seemingly knows how to handle players and get the best out of them will be hugely beneficial. But here's the but, for the majority of the season just gone, things have gone out way, we were superior to most other sides in nearly every aspect of the game. Next season won't be that way, and plenty of these players have a substantial history of either not being good enough at the next level, being soft, and not knowing what to do when things aren't going their way. That's a concern, because that culture was born over a long period of time, it didn't just happen last season.
    Do some of these players have the character and mental strength to be competitive at a higher level?

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    Re: Early thoughts on hopes and expectations for next season.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    We will need better players at championship level, there's not much doubt about that, but as important as being decent with a ball will be their mentality.
    We have a fair few players who have pretty much failed at Championship level over the past few years, and that's a sticking point for me.
    Being winners at league 1 level can hopefully create momentum and confidence, and having a coach in Barry Murphy who seemingly knows how to handle players and get the best out of them will be hugely beneficial. But here's the but, for the majority of the season just gone, things have gone out way, we were superior to most other sides in nearly every aspect of the game. Next season won't be that way, and plenty of these players have a substantial history of either not being good enough at the next level, being soft, and not knowing what to do when things aren't going their way. That's a concern, because that culture was born over a long period of time, it didn't just happen last season.
    Do some of these players have the character and mental strength to be competitive at a higher level?
    I think we’ve got a proper manager on our hands. He gets a player playing, builds them up, and then lets them go because he knows we need better. I love a ruthless streak mixed with good man-management. There are strong rumors that Kellyman might be coming back, too, which would be class!

    For a bit of hope, just look at the cup games against higher placed opponents where we performed so well. I think we can do it again, but as has already been alluded to, we obviously need to bring in some better quality players. It’s going to be another interesting season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue View Post
    I think weÂ’ve got a proper manager on our hands. He gets a player playing, builds them up, and then lets them go because he knows we need better. I love a ruthless streak mixed with good man-management. There are strong rumors that Kellyman might be coming back, too, which would be class!

    For a bit of hope, just look at the cup games against higher placed opponents where we performed so well. I think we can do it again, but as has already been alluded to, we obviously need to bring in some better quality players. ItÂ’s going to be another interesting season.
    I'm not feeling that negative about next season, just asking the question about character and belief when the shit hits the fan, in the most basic of terms. Historically, the 9 or ten who have been involved with us at championship level have shown us that they struggle when it isn't going our way, and not just last season either. That's an attitude and cycle that needs to be broken, and confidence and belief is massive in football, people under estimate it in my opinion. Hopefully you're correct about Barry murphy, because the next level is a test for him as well, so we will be finding out a lot about our coach and players.

    As for cup matches, i hear what you're saying but i don't put a great deal of emphasis on cup results in the early rounds, and that works the other way when we have been turned over by lesser sides. Over the past 10 years or so (maybe longer) early round cup games are incredibly open games, there doesn't seem to be much emphasis on tactical play, there's plenty of space to exploit, teams higher up the food chain make a load of changes and it sort of becomes the Boxing equivalent of two fighters who have little intention of covering up and protecting themselves, it's punch for punch, a test of chins so to speak, and i believe that because so many clubs, even at the lower levels, aren't interested in cup runs anymore, certainly at the early stages of a cup competition. To piss on even more chips (sorry) premier league clubs who we have come up against allow us to have the ball, the thinking is that as inferior players we will do their work for them, Although i do concede that we did very well in our games against Burnley, Wrexham and Chelsea.

    I don't know which camp i'm in, in terms of us progressing next season. I do think that we will look better than previous seasons at championship level (how couldn't we) and the majority of players we have can all play (except Tanner in my opinion) it's the character and mentality thing that i'm concerned about.

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    Doing the double over Swansea, Wrexham and Bristol City would do it for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by NinianKnight View Post
    Doing the double over Swansea, Wrexham and Bristol City would do it for me
    Winning every other game and not worrying about these 3 minor teams would do for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Pontprennau Blues View Post
    I agree with Phil and co - Winty was let go cos BBM has a better replacement IMO - we will be 8th in final table
    bookmarked

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    Quote Originally Posted by NinianKnight View Post
    Doing the double over Swansea, Wrexham and Bristol City would do it for me
    18 points and we'll be back down..maybe have a little more ambition for your club than winning a few derbies

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    Expectations, that we’ll replace the loan players & Wintle with quality replacements. I don’t think we’ll sign many maybe 2 or 3 plus a couple of quality loans with a Maresca tie up. I expect us to finish in the group around 15-18th

    Hope: I hope we have a fast and sustainable start, to avoid being in a season long dog fight.

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    World peace and a stop to the ridiculous open coat policy.

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    I fully expect this City side to play front foot football under BBM. I'm positive that Vincent Tan will back us in the transfer market and we will make quality signings as we've done last season.
    As for where we end up I'll say at least mid table as theres a few sides who arent very good at this level.
    I'd be happy if we continue what we are doing under BBM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    I'm not feeling that negative about next season, just asking the question about character and belief when the shit hits the fan, in the most basic of terms. Historically, the 9 or ten who have been involved with us at championship level have shown us that they struggle when it isn't going our way, and not just last season either. That's an attitude and cycle that needs to be broken, and confidence and belief is massive in football, people under estimate it in my opinion. Hopefully you're correct about Barry murphy, because the next level is a test for him as well, so we will be finding out a lot about our coach and players.

    As for cup matches, i hear what you're saying but i don't put a great deal of emphasis on cup results in the early rounds, and that works the other way when we have been turned over by lesser sides. Over the past 10 years or so (maybe longer) early round cup games are incredibly open games, there doesn't seem to be much emphasis on tactical play, there's plenty of space to exploit, teams higher up the food chain make a load of changes and it sort of becomes the Boxing equivalent of two fighters who have little intention of covering up and protecting themselves, it's punch for punch, a test of chins so to speak, and i believe that because so many clubs, even at the lower levels, aren't interested in cup runs anymore, certainly at the early stages of a cup competition. To piss on even more chips (sorry) premier league clubs who we have come up against allow us to have the ball, the thinking is that as inferior players we will do their work for them, Although i do concede that we did very well in our games against Burnley, Wrexham and Chelsea.

    I don't know which camp i'm in, in terms of us progressing next season. I do think that we will look better than previous seasons at championship level (how couldn't we) and the majority of players we have can all play (except Tanner in my opinion) it's the character and mentality thing that i'm concerned about.
    You mention Tanner, who else would you move on?
    In an ideal world BBM could pick and choose his own squad and look for players with certain qualities and character, however he will be limited by the fact we have 3-4 older and presumably higher earners who we’d find hard to move out, Turnbull, Chambers and Willock fall into that category
    You could also include Robinson there as well, although I’m not sure if he was carrying some sort of injury last season?
    He’s lack of appearances suggest he’s either not in BBMs plan, or maybe he was used sparingly because of an underlying injury?

    I think we need at least 5-6 players coming in personally

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