The Von-Layen Tamer

[Talksport]

Re: The Von-Layen Tamer

You could look throughout all of history and see how a Tory government has treated wales.

Even if you voted for brexit this shambles can’t be what anyone voted for.

We’ve had a whole year to sign trade deals and we haven’t managed to sign anything more than what we already had plus we’ve signed a much worse one with our biggest trading partner.

I know this is controversial on here but people were tricked into voting for brexit by people promising things who weren’t even in a position to deliver it who promptly ****ed off as soon as the vote was done.

People were duped and the country is already significantly weaker for it.

Jobs have already been lost, companies have already left the country, students have lost the Erasmus. There have been 0 positives beyond meaningless catch phrases.

Typical remoaner telling us Brexiteers that we were conned into voting for it. Get a life sunshine, we knew what we wanted, and we've eventually got it. Would have been done quicker if our best PM ever was still around, our Maggie 😁.
Democracy has prevailed, Boris has delivered what the people voted for.
Finally, let's vote next year to scrap Welsh Parliament, you know it makes sense 😉🍺🥂🎉🎇

[Talksport]

Re: The Von-Layen Tamer

But it doesn't say how the Conservatives would benefit Wales. That's important.

I don't buy the line of voting for anyone other than the Tories, or anyone other than Labour, or anyone other than x. An example of an exchange I had on social media once went something like:

x: Drakeford is a prick. Can't wait to vote him out
me: Who are you going to vote for and what do they stand for and what do they promise?
x: Don't care.
me: Really?
x: Yes, just want to get rid of the prick.
me: So you don't know who you are going to vote for, just as long as it gets rid of Drakeford. You could end up voting in much worse.
x: No chance.
me: So without researching who the alternatives are, without knowing who stands for what, without working out which party or candidates align most with your political beliefs, you would happily vote in anyone, just to get rid of Drakeford, regardless of how good or bad it could turn out.
x: Yes.

At this point, I start banging my head against the wall, repeatedly. It shows a total density of some of the electorate.

Easy answer to your question Eric, is vote to scrap WP. Let's be run from Westminster, whoever is in Govt.
Like all your stats btw 👍

[Harry Paget Flashman]

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Typical remoaner telling us Brexiteers that we were conned into voting for it. Get a life sunshine, we knew what we wanted, and we've eventually got it. Would have been done quicker if our best PM ever was still around, our Maggie ��.
Democracy has prevailed, Boris has delivered what the people voted for.
Finally, let's vote next year to scrap Welsh Parliament, you know it makes sense ����������

I still haven't heard anyone come up with a solid reason for leaving the EU.

[The Bloop]

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I still haven't heard anyone come up with a solid reason for leaving the EU.

Isnt it because we wanted to buy a pint of beer instead of half a litre?

[Welshcake.]

Re: The Von-Layen Tamer

I still haven't heard anyone come up with a solid reason for leaving the EU.

There isn't one

[Croesy Blue]

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Typical remoaner telling us Brexiteers that we were conned into voting for it. Get a life sunshine, we knew what we wanted, and we've eventually got it. Would have been done quicker if our best PM ever was still around, our Maggie 😁.
Democracy has prevailed, Boris has delivered what the people voted for.
Finally, let's vote next year to scrap Welsh Parliament, you know it makes sense 😉🍺🥂🎉🎇

Can you tell me what benefits you voted for and what benefits we’ve got?

Because to me we were promised all that money for the NHS which isn’t happening, we were promised we could control our borders and nothing has changed, we were promised jobs wouldn’t leave and they have.

I wouldn’t classify myself as a leaver or a remainer because this isn’t football it’s politics, and we’ve basically ended up with things being worse for wales and the working class again.

Personally it won’t affect me, I invested and made decent money from brexit and Covid ****ing everything and will more than likely move abroad again if there is no tangible benefit from it.

I just don’t like the working classes being duped into voting for something that makes their lives worse which this already has and, unless there’s a miracle to come, will continue to.

[Croesy Blue]

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There isn't one

We had this thread before and it went about 50 pages without one benefit being given.

Apparently asking people questions is the worst thing anyone can do as well so we’ll never get a decent answer.

You only have to look at talksport to see the problem with it, people were promised a fillet steak and have ended up with a shit sandwich but because people now treat politics like footballs teams no one will ever change their mind and will now argue that they loved eating shit sandwiches all along.

[Croesy Blue]

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It is not a genuine question and you know it is not. You are asking how something has improved life for the common man (what ever you mean by that phrase) which only happened yesterday so it has no chance yet of helping or hurting anyone.
Despite all the comments about 4 1/2 years most of that delay was caused by people who would not accept the will of the people. Until next friday materially nothing has changed so the question is spurious, and as I say, you know it is.

And again you state an opinion as if it were fact. You think the valleys will be fecked, but you cannot possibly know that for a fact for the same reason I just stated.
Let me ask you a question. Don't you think the valleys are already fecked inside the EU and if not in what way do you know (notice the word know, not think) that they will be fecked now.

Why do you keep saying it only happened yesterday? It happened a year ago and we’ve not done anything we couldn’t have done within the eu and now have a worse trade deal with our biggest trading partner and a load of companies have moved their headquarters to Europe.

As someone who grew up in the Valleys they’ve been ignored and mistreated for years but were getting eu funding. Do you think that governments will stop ignoring them now they’re not getting that funding?

[Croesy Blue]

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https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/business-economics/can-you-name-one-company-that-has-moved-to-the-uk-because-of-brexit/14/09/

This has a list of companies that had left the U.K. due to brexit last year.

Ill ask one more question, can anyone name me any companies that have moved to the U.K. since brexit was announced ?

[Cleve van Leef]

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https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/bu...-brexit/14/09/

This has a list of companies that had left the U.K. due to brexit last year.

Ill ask one more question, can anyone name me any companies that have moved to the U.K. since brexit was announced ?

Doesn’t matter what you or I or any else thinks now we are out of Europe, so we have to make the best of it, nothing we can do.

[Vindec]

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https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/bu...-brexit/14/09/

This has a list of companies that had left the U.K. due to brexit last year.

Ill ask one more question, can anyone name me any companies that have moved to the U.K. since brexit was announced ?

That is a rather odd question as no company would move here while uncertainty remained. You are simply - and incorrectly on occasions - looking for reasons to oppose anything the government does. Obviously there will be a short term hit on the economy and the government has 4 years to get things right before the next election. Failure will give Labour a good chance.

You have no choice other than to get over it and not wish the UK ill will just because the Tories are in power.

[Croesy Blue]

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Doesn’t matter what you or I or any else thinks now we are out of Europe, so we have to make the best of it, nothing we can do.

So it is shit but no point discussing it?

[Croesy Blue]

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That is a rather odd question as no company would move here while uncertainty remained. You are simply - and incorrectly on occasions - looking for reasons to oppose anything the government does. Obviously there will be a short term hit on the economy and the government has 4 years to get things right before the next election. Failure will give Labour a good chance.

You have no choice other than to get over it and not wish the UK ill will just because the Tories are in power.

So we can’t make a judgement from companies leaving and taking billions from our economy either?

Is bringing 4 years of uncertainty to the country so much so that companies won’t move here a good idea?

I don’t know what the last paragraph is talking about, I want the opposite of wishing ill on the U.K. that’s why I think brexit is stupid.

[Des Parrot]

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https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/bu...-brexit/14/09/

This has a list of companies that had left the U.K. due to brexit last year.

Ill ask one more question, can anyone name me any companies that have moved to the U.K. since brexit was announced ?

Those are just the headline companies, they each have their supply chains. My own company is an example, it supplies 3 of those listed and is also moving out. As a consequence our moulding, casting, electronics, software, packaging suppliers will all lose their contracts and many jobs (i estimate around 800+/- in total).

xsnaggle wrote it isn't hurting, are you for real? Those 800 jobs are people who are hurting as a direct consequence, which will ultimately include myself once the exit strategy is complete.

Des (now in Poland)

[Vindec]

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So we can’t make a judgement from companies leaving and taking billions from our economy either?

Is bringing 4 years of uncertainty to the country so much so that companies won’t move here a good idea?

I don’t know what the last paragraph is talking about, I want the opposite of wishing ill on the U.K. that’s why I think brexit is stupid.

Of course you can't make a judgement. Without a trade deal no Company would move to the UK. Now the future is more certain a more informed judgement can be made. That is so obvious your original question asking what companies have moved here since Brexit, in order to form a judgement, is absurd. Brexit can't be determined by what has happened in the last 4 years. Perhaps in the next 4 years we will have a better idea whether Brexit is a success or failure.