Songs Of Praise

[Heisenberg]

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OK Lets leave it there. Just for the record there are about 700 new cases of leukaemia in children in UK annually. Of these about 90% will survive and go on to continue a normal life. It does not result in painful deaths of millions of children ( thank God)

1. Fine, we can leave it there but only in the knowledge that it's because you have failed to provide an answer to a question I've been asking since this morning and have moved the goalposts several times instead. I can live with you not being able to answer a simple question about the logic of your beliefs if you can?

2. For the record, I said in that post: "God remains blameless even though he supposedly has the power to do literally anything, including creating genetics which don't result in the painful deaths of millions of children". I never said "deaths in the UK from leukaemia". I stand by the fact that millions of children have died painful deaths that a literal God could have prevented when he designed people in the first place.

Enjoy the rest of your evening

[lisvaneblue]

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1. Fine, we can leave it there but only in the knowledge that it's because you have failed to provide an answer to a question I've been asking since this morning and have moved the goalposts several times instead. I can live with you not being able to answer a simple question about the logic of your beliefs if you can?

2. For the record, I said in that post: "God remains blameless even though he supposedly has the power to do literally anything, including creating genetics which don't result in the painful deaths of millions of children". I never said "deaths in the UK from leukaemia". I stand by the fact that millions of children have died painful deaths that a literal God could have prevented when he designed people in the first place.

Enjoy the rest of your evening

Thanks. For the record I have an answer but thought that it would lead to another long, but enjoyable, discussion leading nowhere

[Heisenberg]

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Thanks. For the record I have an answer but thought that it would lead to another long, but enjoyable, discussion leading nowhere

I'd love to hear the answer even if it leads nowhere. The only reason we've hit a wall in this discussion is because you haven't given an answer other than "it is what it is".

It's up to you to decide if you want to engage further. I'm more than happy to keep it going.

[life on mars]

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a couple on there , who had their wedding postponed due to covid but finally married , think it was gods work that eventually enabled them to marry , through their prayers

There is a god that is caring for us and looking after us

Surely if God was such a powerful and kind chap he would have stopped covid in the first place which never mind postponing this couples wedding 3 times , has killed 100000 people in the UK , including doctors and nurses and the vulnerable ?

There is no answer to this

Your post mustv have been sent from heaven , and like the loaves and fishes miracle ,this post it has gone on to feed thousands of words .

Bless you. 😇

[lardy]

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OK Lets leave it there. Just for the record there are about 700 new cases of leukaemia in children in UK annually. Of these about 90% will survive and go on to continue a normal life. It does not result in painful deaths of millions of children ( thank God)

So mankind is doing something for children who are suffering. Thank God for that, thankfully he only waited for humans to be around for tens of thousands of years before gifting them science. He could have waited a lot longer.

[Croesy Blue]

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I shared something with you about a friend of mine who devoted his short life to the church and you reply as if you are an insensitive pratt. Im sure you are a better person than that.

God should have zapped him better

[goats]

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So mankind is doing something for children who are suffering. Thank God for that, thankfully he only waited for humans to be around for tens of thousands of years before gifting them science. He could have waited a lot longer.

I wonder why he lets all the natural disasters happen around the world, what is he trying to teach us there? Take the Boxing Day tsunami as one example in 2004, 250,000 people wiped out in a flash, almost took me too as I was just sitting in the beach chilling out......

[insider]

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The biggest religious question for me is which is THE God.
As it seems to me its the one you are told to follow as a child by your parents and teachers as all other gods are false gods.
Handy that ain't it.

[RonnieBird]

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1. Fine, we can leave it there but only in the knowledge that it's because you have failed to provide an answer to a question I've been asking since this morning and have moved the goalposts several times instead. I can live with you not being able to answer a simple question about the logic of your beliefs if you can?

2. For the record, I said in that post: "God remains blameless even though he supposedly has the power to do literally anything, including creating genetics which don't result in the painful deaths of millions of children". I never said "deaths in the UK from leukaemia". I stand by the fact that millions of children have died painful deaths that a literal God could have prevented when he designed people in the first place.

Enjoy the rest of your evening

I try hard not to stray from football on this forum, but I'll make an exception for the sake of the strong Christian heritage of the club and those Christians who were its core supporters in the past.

You must have an incredibly high opinion of yourself and mankind generally if you imagine that you are in a better position than God to prioritise such matters Heisenberg, or indeed to understand the complexities of life, death and the workings of the universe.
In saying this, I don't wish to attack you, but rather invite you to make a more intelligent , objectve and realistic assesment of these complicated matters, which may well benefit you personally .

[Croesy Blue]

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I try hard not to stray from football on this forum, but I'll make an exception for the sake of the strong Christian heritage of the club and those Christians who were its core supporters in the past.

You must have an incredibly high opinion of yourself and mankind generally if you imagine that you are in a better position than God to prioritise such matters Heisenberg, or indeed to understand the complexities of life, death and the workings of the universe.
In saying this, I don't wish to attack you, but rather invite you to make a more intelligent , objectve and realistic assesment of these complicated matters, which may well benefit you personally .

This **** is proof there is no god

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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The biggest religious question for me is which is THE God.
As it seems to me its the one you are told to follow as a child by your parents and teachers as all other gods are false gods.
Handy that ain't it.

Why do you assume that just one deity applies? Many religions have multiple gods.

[RonnieBird]

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Why do you assume that just one deity applies? Many religions have multiple gods.

As evinced by your own avatar, which represents a Jinn ,( plural jinni in Arabic) , which as I imagine you know are held by Moslems to be ,(broadly),the equivalent of demons, and sub deities, confuse and deceive humans.

Considering that the thread is about Songs of Praise, which purports at least to be based in the Christian religion,( though it wouldn't surprise me if it now seeks to be inclusive of other philosophies ), how does that relate to the multifarious often primative 'religions' with multiple idols ?

The bottom line is that free will exists and we must all make choices by which we shall stand or fall. It is not , according to Thomas Aquinas, a matter which is capable of proof to humans since most humans lack the ability to understand the proofs when offered and indeed he goes on to say that this is the reason why the majority of humans need Faith.

In any case, I'd go further and suggest that the subject matter is so very very far beyond the understanding of any human that it is perfectly preposterous for any human man to attempt to form logical conclusions. What is left then is the alternative between a degree of Faith and total ,hopeless ignorance.

[goats]

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As evinced by your own avatar, which represents a Jinn ,( plural jinni in Arabic) , which as I imagine you know are held by Moslems to be ,(broadly),the equivalent of demons, and sub deities, confuse and deceive humans.

Considering that the thread is about Songs of Praise, which purports at least to be based in the Christian religion,( though it wouldn't surprise me if it now seeks to be inclusive of other philosophies ), how does that relate to the multifarious often primative 'religions' with multiple idols ?

The bottom line is that free will exists and we must all make choices by which we shall stand or fall. It is not , according to Thomas Aquinas, a matter which is capable of proof to humans since most humans lack the ability to understand the proofs when offered and indeed he goes on to say that this is the reason why the majority of humans need Faith.

In any case, I'd go further and suggest that the subject matter is so very very far beyond the understanding of any human that it is perfectly preposterous for any human man to attempt to form logical conclusions. What is left then is the alternative between a degree of Faith and total ,hopeless ignorance.

I haven’t got a clue what any of this means

[jon1959]

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I haven’t got a clue what any of this means

I think he's saying we have a choice between blind superstition and 'total hopeless ignorance'. Yes folks, that's the choice!

Although it looks like there is a third choice of 'pompous, patronising bullshittery'.

[Jordi Culé]

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I haven’t got a clue what any of this means

Obviously, neither does he.