The football under McCarthy

[lennybluebird]

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i think a judgment of a manager is employment, MM very rarely out of work, NH still unemplyed as a manager....says it all for me.

[J R Hartley]

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i think a judgment of a manager is employment, MM very rarely out of work, NH still unemplyed as a manager....says it all for me.

Mick was sacked from his last job in Cyprus before his factor 50 had finished drying into the skin.

[Tuerto]

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I think that it needs to be picked apart a little more. Both Managers have served up some dreadful stuff, that's for sure, but in their own unique way. Harris' style of play was more methodical in approach, MM's style is quicker, more urgent and more physical. What we saw under Harris was players who lacked confidence, belief and they didn't want to take responsibility, certainly towards the end of his stewardship. Mistakes crept in, basic errors and a lack of urgency. In my opinion, City fans as a unit will tolerate work rate over quality and urgency over a more methodical approach, even if it's poor. MM's style is that, which will afford him more time, even if it is dreadful at times and even less concentrated on possession than Harris was.

Look how Slade was ripped, he had hardly any personal backing from the fans, because of the style of play. Again, slow, boring, methodical etc, same with Harris. Yet MM's football is much more agriculture, it just has more urgency, players work harder, same as Warnock to a degree. For that reason, MM will be afforded more time and less criticism, certainly seems the case with our fans.

[Tuerto]

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I think that it needs to be picked apart a little more. Both Managers have served up some dreadful stuff, that's for sure, but in their own unique way. Harris' style of play was more methodical in approach, MM's style is quicker, more urgent and more physical. What we saw under Harris was players who lacked confidence, belief and they didn't want to take responsibility, certainly towards the end of his stewardship. Mistakes crept in, basic errors and a lack of urgency. In my opinion, City fans as a unit will tolerate work rate over quality and urgency over a more methodical approach, even if it's poor. MM's style is that, which will afford him more time, even if it is dreadful at times and even less concentrated on possession than Harris was.

Look how Slade was ripped, he had hardly any personal backing from the fans, because of the style of play. Again, slow, boring, methodical etc, same with Harris. Yet MM's football is much more agriculture, it just has more urgency, players work harder, same as Warnock to a degree. For that reason, MM will be afforded more time and less criticism, certainly seems the case with our fans.

I have to add Personality and Character as well. Slade was like an Insurance salesman and Harris seemed like he was auditioning for a part in 'The Office' MM and Warnock are better at ingratiating themselves to football supporters like ours, they both speak our 'Language' Although in the case of Warnock, he's a self serving phoney, MM seems genuine.

[2b2bdoo]

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Except perhaps the 2-0 victory at Forest, the 3-0 win against Barnsley, the 4-0 victory over Luton and the 3-0 win against Huddersfield?

I think most people are clever enough to realise there are exceptions to the rule over such a long period. I think we are talking generally.

[Tuerto]

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I’ve never really been too concerned by the ‘quality’ of the football played by City, maybe that’s due to the years of substandard entertainment on the pitch in the lower divisions. As long as the city are winning I’m not too fussed about how we do it - the promotion season under Warnock was even more enjoyable for me than the Malky one - maybe because of the fact we were constantly criticised for the aesthetic nature of our game, with Fulham the media darlings due to their playing of football the ‘right way’.

The whole ‘I like watching good football’ attitude doesn’t always sit too comfortably with me as it’s often the excuse trotted out by all those Man Utd and Liverpool fans that have no justifiable link to support these teams.

Now don’t get me wrong I do like watching attractive football which is why I subscribe to Sky and BT to watch the best teams. But as for the City, it’ll always be the result that comes first. We tried the pleasing on the eye stuff last under Trollope and we were on a fast track to relegation until Warnock came. In the long run I’d be happy to try this under a different manager, but that would require some upheaval.

Whilst Mick is in charge this won’t happen, but I’m not bothered by that if we kept having a crack at promotion.

Fair enough, but the problem is that we always come unstuck when we go up a notch. There has to be some balance. It is possible to get out of the championship by paying direct aggressive tactics, with pace and power in the correct areas, although that's not enough to sustain relative success in my opinion. People use Burnley as an example of what we could be. I'd be over the moon if we were as good as them. The perception is that they're nothing more than Long ball merchants, direct and physical, there's some truth there, but it is controlled and thought out.

[The Lone Gunman]

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I think most people are clever enough to realise there are exceptions to the rule over such a long period. I think we are talking generally.

That's right. I believe that, generally, the football under McCarthy has been as poor as it was under Harris rather than much better. But that's just an opinion.

[tforturton]

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The football under McCarthy..... hasn't been all that different than that played under his predecessor. McCarthy's reign has almost mirrored Harris' - they both turned around a failing side, and both had a good run that took us to the play-offs (nearly, for MM). Whether or not McCarthy can push on, and achieve more next season, remains to be seen.

[2b2bdoo]

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That's right. I believe that, generally, the football under McCarthy has been as poor as it was under Harris rather than much better. But that's just an opinion.

Very true.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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I’ve never really been too concerned by the ‘quality’ of the football played by City, maybe that’s due to the years of substandard entertainment on the pitch in the lower divisions. As long as the city are winning I’m not too fussed about how we do it - the promotion season under Warnock was even more enjoyable for me than the Malky one - maybe because of the fact we were constantly criticised for the aesthetic nature of our game, with Fulham the media darlings due to their playing of football the ‘right way’.

The whole ‘I like watching good football’ attitude doesn’t always sit too comfortably with me as it’s often the excuse trotted out by all those Man Utd and Liverpool fans that have no justifiable link to support these teams.

Now don’t get me wrong I do like watching attractive football which is why I subscribe to Sky and BT to watch the best teams. But as for the City, it’ll always be the result that comes first. We tried the pleasing on the eye stuff last under Trollope and we were on a fast track to relegation until Warnock came. In the long run I’d be happy to try this under a different manager, but that would require some upheaval.

Whilst Mick is in charge this won’t happen, but I’m not bothered by that if we kept having a crack at promotion.

Got it in one

[NYCBlue]

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The only improvement we've seen under MM is that the players seem to be more interested in playing. The quality of football is practically unchanged. Although we have had moments. But then we looked OK under Harris at times too. All in all, it's more of the same. And right now, I don't expect any improvement next season. We'll see.

[Hilts]

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The only break ill give Mick is hes tried to use the wing back system and hes been unfortunate to lose both LWBs.

Yesterday's 1st half display was terrible.

[the other bob wilson]

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I’ve never really been too concerned by the ‘quality’ of the football played by City, maybe that’s due to the years of substandard entertainment on the pitch in the lower divisions. As long as the city are winning I’m not too fussed about how we do it - the promotion season under Warnock was even more enjoyable for me than the Malky one - maybe because of the fact we were constantly criticised for the aesthetic nature of our game, with Fulham the media darlings due to their playing of football the ‘right way’.

The whole ‘I like watching good football’ attitude doesn’t always sit too comfortably with me as it’s often the excuse trotted out by all those Man Utd and Liverpool fans that have no justifiable link to support these teams.

Now don’t get me wrong I do like watching attractive football which is why I subscribe to Sky and BT to watch the best teams. But as for the City, it’ll always be the result that comes first. We tried the pleasing on the eye stuff last under Trollope and we were on a fast track to relegation until Warnock came. In the long run I’d be happy to try this under a different manager, but that would require some upheaval.

Whilst Mick is in charge this won’t happen, but I’m not bothered by that if we kept having a crack at promotion.

You have one view, mine is completely different. I've grown heartily sick of us playing underdog, cowardly football whereby we let the opposition have the ball and then hope to capitalise on any mistake they make. If that doesn't work, then we fall back on the old faithful of set pieces - even when we win, it's often very dull. If we were a club with the resources of a Wycombe, I could understand why we appear to believe that we can only play the one way, but we've had the finances to have built something more easy on the eye.

If I had to guess, I think it will be more of the same next season, but I live in hope that Mick McCarthy will want his team to offer more than a style of football which the best Championship sides are able to cope with quite easily these days - the selection of Pack at centreback is a hopeful sign.

[Shrewsbury Blue]

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MM is a much better manager than Harris but he has always had the reputation as a pragmatist who is more then happy to play a dour brand of football if it is more likely to bring success. Personally I prefer dour winning football than pretty losing football when it comes to Cardiff. Who remembers Kenny Hibbit? I remember when he managed Walsall they always played some great passing football but we usually beat them. Then he came to us and we played some good passing football and usually lost.

MM will have to do well on the transfer market next season as I don't think he will have any money to spend unless Norwich give us £7 million for Will Vaulks and I can't see it happening.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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McCarthy has the footballing intelligence, knowledge, nous and previous experience to get us out of this division and into the premier league. Under Harris we were only going one way and that was out of this division to league 1 (despite what you say in a previous thread about us picking our form up under him). However, Mick HAS to bring the right players in over the summer, or we'll have another season of repeating what he have just seen. We might, just might, scrape into the play-offs, if we maintain the squad almost as it is, but that's as good as it will be. One thing I don't like about the way we play, is our lack of wingers. Is it me. or do we usually look more threatening when we bring Murphy on? If he isn't going to play Hoilett, then I'd like to see him bring in a couple of wingers as well as a decent midfield general, as well as getting rid of the dead wood player wise at the club

I would be interested to see if there are any stats regarding players giving away possession. Murphy seems particularly profligate in that department.