Swansea's accounts

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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The amount of really decent youth I’ve played against who hailed from the areas you mention sludge is frightening, they just drift away from football in their late teens, no one comes in and develops them.

Somali lad from Butetown moved up to Manchester by United several years back , don't know what happened to him . Surely Cardiff City scouts should be working with local school PE teachers to say hey we have a lad , 14 , great talent , come and have a look 👍

[WJ99mobile]

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If wages, fees and football in general was priced correctly parachute payments wouldn't be needed

Just serves to keep the big clubs big

Swansea are crap but manage to get results.

[Rjk]

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If wages, fees and football in general was priced correctly parachute payments wouldn't be needed

Just serves to keep the big clubs big

Swansea are crap but manage to get results.

Yeah parachute payments are a terrible idea, designed to make it much more likely that the premier league clubs come back up.

The last 2 seasons 4 out of the final top 6 had parachute payments. It'll probably be a similar story next season.

The clubs coming down will get something like £42m the first season, 35 million the second and 15 the third (if they've been in the premier league more than one season).


Compare that with a club like Brentford, who's entire income is about 15m, other clubs are getting multiple times that, just from parachute payments.


They say that it's to make sure that clubs don't go bust having to maintain player salaries after relegation - instead they could make it compulsory for all players to have 50% relegation salary reductions or something lke that - then distribute the money fairly

[City123]

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Swansea wether people like it or not has always had a strong football tradition and has always produced good young local talent or rather found it and developed it

We have a far larger population to draw from and Cardiff is a far bigger city with a huge pool of youngsters mad on football right on its doorstep from inner city Grangetown, Butetown , Riverside etc

But they never get seen

Somethings going wrong

Nathan Blake was born in Cardiff, lived in Newport yet got spotted by Chelsea

And there are more

Gareth Bale is the pretty obvious example of a player on our doorstop who was ignored/missed out on, his uncle played for us ffs!

[The Hooded Claw]

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Don’t forget that the basis of the accounts is not cash in, cash out.
They will, however, include depreciation on transfer fees.
This means that the transfer fees are written off over the length of the contracts.
A simplified example of this is an £8m transfer fee for a 4 year deal, means £2m charged to the accounts for each of the 4 years.
Swansea have tended to pay less for transfers, which makes their position stronger, relative to ours.

[Moodybluebird]

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Swansea wether people like it or not has always had a strong football tradition and has always produced good young local talent or rather found it and developed it

We have a far larger population to draw from and Cardiff is a far bigger city with a huge pool of youngsters mad on football right on its doorstep from inner city Grangetown, Butetown , Riverside etc

But they never get seen

Somethings going wrong

Nathan Blake was born in Cardiff, lived in Newport yet got spotted by Chelsea

And there are more

Alas it has always been the case. In the 70's and 80's Bristol Rovers used to snaffle up all our local talent and of course a bit later on, Southampton and Norwich grabbed Bale and Bellamy respectively.

You are right about Swansea too. They do have a very strong football tradition and have been nurturing and developing local talent for as long as I can remember. How difficult can it be to say enough is enough, if Swansea can do it Cardiff most certainly can ? Signs are that things are starting to improve but this needs to be an ongoing trend. It's great when players like Ramsey and Ledley break through but there should be more, much more.

[the other bob wilson]

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Gareth Bale is the pretty obvious example of a player on our doorstop who was ignored/missed out on, his uncle played for us ffs!

We were in Division Four when Chris Pike played for us and would have been in one of the bottom two divisions when Bellamy went to Norwich. I’m fairly sure as well that we were when Bale first teamed up with Southampton. I’m as critical as anyone of our youth development record, but Bale and Bellamy were never going to sign for us as kids.

[ivandobsky]

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Gareth Bale is the pretty obvious example of a player on our doorstop who was ignored/missed out on, his uncle played for us ffs!

Yeah, I would've loved to have seen him warming the bench with Rambo in the Cup Final.

[Rjk]

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Yeah, I would've loved to have seen him warming the bench with Rambo in the Cup Final.

Jones gets way too much stick for not starting with Ramsey in the cup final.

The kid was just 17, had only started a handful of games in his senior career, playing in a cup final, against a team from a higher division.

[ivandobsky]

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Jones gets way too much stick for not starting with Ramsey in the cup final.

The kid was just 17, had only started a handful of games in his senior career, playing in a cup final, against a team from a higher division.

You think so ? That kid Rooney was tearing up the Premier league at 16. Anyway not meaning to open up old wounds
And we have to be thankful that Ramsey didn't come along during the Warnock years or we'd have never seen him in a City shirt.

[Rjk]

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You think so ? That kid Rooney was tearing up the Premier league at 16. Anyway not meaning to open up old wounds
And we have to be thankful that Ramsey didn't come along during the Warnock years or we'd have never seen him in a City shirt.

Rooney had the physique of a 30 year old at 16 though ramsey was very much a teenager.

Totally agree with your second point - we'd have loaned him out to Weston super mare

[splott parker]

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Rooney had the physique of a 30 year old at 16 though ramsey was very much a teenager.

Totally agree with your second point - we'd have loaned him out to Weston super mare

Rooney looks about 60 now, birth certificate needs checking

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Jones gets way too much stick for not starting with Ramsey in the cup final.

The kid was just 17, had only started a handful of games in his senior career, playing in a cup final, against a team from a higher division.

Completely agree, people seem to mix up between what he was and what he became when it came to Rambo at that age

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Jones gets way too much stick for not starting with Ramsey in the cup final.

The kid was just 17, had only started a handful of games in his senior career, playing in a cup final, against a team from a higher division.

By the time of the cup final, Ramsey had started 12 league and cup games out of the previous 18 (including the whole 90 minutes at Middlesbrough) and made a further 3 substitute appearances.

In his first season at Arsenal, while he was limited to only some brief Premier League appearances, he was given plenty of Champions' League experience.

He was also the best player we had at the club, even at that young an age.

Of course Jones should have started him.

[Rjk]

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By the time of the cup final, Ramsey had started 12 league and cup games out of the previous 18 (including the whole 90 minutes at Middlesbrough) and made a further 3 substitute appearances.

In his first season at Arsenal, while he was limited to only some brief Premier League appearances, he was given plenty of Champions' League experience.

He was also the best player we had at the club, even at that young an age.

Of course Jones should have started him.

I really don't agree. you could see he was going to be a quality player but he was still a kid, and playing against a powerful Portsmouth side
of those games he had managed a goal against Burnley and one against chasetown.

and as we played ,4 across the midfield at the time we would have been dropping one of mcphail, Rae, Ledley or whittingham.