Rubin Colwill

[Hilts]

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I think weve got a good group of young players. Id like to see Sang given a go in centre of midfield at some point.

Luckily our coaching staff and the Welsh coaching staff know far more about footballing ability than some of our fans.

[insider]

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It doesn't help his cause that our midfield was mostly bypassed with long balls to the striker in the first half.
He's a player that needs the ball to his feet going forward he lived off scraps most of the game.

[surge]

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Young footballers clearly do their best when expectations are manageable but support is high. Fans in the stadium and online have a role in that as do the local media.

[Rjk]

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Wether Colwill will develop into a championship and international footballer remains to be seen, he obviously has talent if he’s standing out in City and Wales training sessions, but starting to write him off after his first start in front of a crowd is utterly ****ing pathetic, even by City fans standards. He hasn’t had a pre season either remember, he’s same as Moore in that regard and he isn’t exactly firing on all cylinders yet either.

Bagan is another coming in for criticsm. I just don’t get it. Did people think they were going to come in and never going to make a mistake? Developing your own players in the first team means they we’ll be learning and developing on the job. Patience is required.
It’s little wonder we don’t produce many of our own players with such a toxic and impatient fan base.

we have had so few youngsters brought through over the years that I guess the crowd need re-educating as to what to expect.
they will make mistakes, and have games where they struggle to make an impact. as long as they keep improving and we are still getting good results then that's fine

think about our more established players - what were they doing when they were 19? Moore, Morrison, Pack, Ralls - none of them were the finished article and would have struggled to make any impact at this level until they were a few years older.

it's still too early to tell whether they will ultimately play the majority of their career at this level, but if they don't get game time then it's a lot less likely that they will.

[I'll give you the Malky!!]

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It was always going to be a baptism of fire against Millwall...wouldnt gauge anything from this game apart from the fact the MM trusted him, Sang, Bagan enough to start so they must be showing something. Wasnt the type of game for him to shine really just dig in - he'll come good.

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

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Players are still learning and improving at that age. Personally I think it's great to see so many involved, even if the real reason behind it is financial necessity.
Maybe we need to look at it as a two season project - if promotion this season is a step too far but we give it a good go, so be it, but a better chance next season with a crop of talented youngsters with some experience under their belts?

[Elwood Blues]

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Wether Colwill will develop into a championship and international footballer remains to be seen, he obviously has talent if he’s standing out in City and Wales training sessions, but starting to write him off after his first start in front of a crowd is utterly ****ing pathetic, even by City fans standards. He hasn’t had a pre season either remember, he’s same as Moore in that regard and he isn’t exactly firing on all cylinders yet either.

Bagan is another coming in for criticsm. I just don’t get it. Did people think they were going to come in and never going to make a mistake? Developing your own players in the first team means they we’ll be learning and developing on the job. Patience is required.
It’s little wonder we don’t produce many of our own players with such a toxic and impatient fan base.

I agree. People on here have been moaning we don't give youth a chance, but when we do they whinge that we haven't bought enough players or give the young player one or two games and then grumble that they should be dropped,often because they are showing their inexperience. As you say, how on earth are they meant to gain experience if they are not playing games?

[Baloo]

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The "he's only 19" tag seems would seem fair in what little football be's played, if he had shown a mere semblance of promise. Yet to me he looks weak, slow, and in truth would barely get a start in most league 1 sides. Bristol City had a 17yr old on the pitch against Swansea who didn't look out of place.
He and Harris have a future in football no doubt, but at Championship level ?

Deary me. I just hope this impatience isn’t reflective of the fan base generally. I’m really enjoying seeing younger players coming through and just hope they don’t become a target for impatient fans eager to make knee-jerk judgements about their careers after a handful of games.

[FormerlyJohnnyBreadhead]

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The "he's only 19" tag seems would seem fair in what little football be's played, if he had shown a mere semblance of promise.

Birmingham away last season he was the best player in the pitch. And I say that about a game where Harry Wilson scored one of the best hattricks I've ever seen.

[cardiff55]

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We had Sang, Bagan, Colwill and Harris all staring yesterday. And we are unbeaten so far this season. Who would have thought these players would be starting even a year ago? And Giles (I know he is on loan but he's only 21) on the bench. Rather this than have Madine , Tomlin, Hoilett, Glatzel and Bamba on big money.

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We had Sang, Bagan, Colwill and Harris all staring yesterday. And we are unbeaten so far this season. Who would have thought these players would be starting even a year ago? And Giles (I know he is on loan but he's only 21) on the bench. Rather this than have Madine , Tomlin, Hoilett, Glatzel and Bamba on big money.

Exactly this

[dml1954]

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I don’t know what sort of career Colwill will have with us, no one does, but we don’t play in a manner designed to bring the best out of players who operate just behind the striker like he does - if Harry Wilson and Lee Tomlin struggled to make an impact in the first half of home matches, it’s a pretty sure thing Colwill will.

You come across as Mr Reasonable and seem quite knowledgeable about City and football generally but then you come out with something like this !! Do you think that we would deliberately bring a talented, ball playing, attacking midfielder through our system just so that we can stick him in the first team and try to get him to totally change the way he plays ? He is where he is currently in his development and is the type of player he is because he has been brought through our youth and under 23 systems and taught in the right way to make the most of his natural ability. Instead of giving praise to our current youth development structure and staff for the young players we are bringing through at the moment, you insinuate that he (and others) will fail because we don’t play the right way. How are we supposed to alter the way we play unless we develop our young talent and get them to the first team. Its all doom and gloom isn’t it, as usual.

[dml1954]

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The "he's only 19" tag seems would seem fair in what little football be's played, if he had shown a mere semblance of promise. Yet to me he looks weak, slow, and in truth would barely get a start in most league 1 sides. Bristol City had a 17yr old on the pitch against Swansea who didn't look out of place.
He and Harris have a future in football no doubt, but at Championship level ?

So you think he hasn't shown ‘a mere semblance of promise’. Everyone else, including the current manager and his coaching staff, the Welsh manager and his coaching staff, all the scouts who have been watching him, the media and most of our fans (including me) are wrong then. I bow to your superior knowledge. :facepalm:

[dembethewarrior]

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The way we play means that the ball isn't going to miraculously be passed to you. And in the first half that was certainly the case for Colwill. Second half though he came looking for the ball more and started to make better runs with the ball. Made a poor decision to pass to Moore rather than shoot. Will be a good player for us and will get sharper.

I wouldn't call it poor personally, maybe the wrong choice in the moment, but then again if Moore didn't anticipate Colwill shooting and made the run into the box and managed to finish it, we would all be saying what a great pass it was.

[dembethewarrior]

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Wether Colwill will develop into a championship and international footballer remains to be seen, he obviously has talent if he’s standing out in City and Wales training sessions, but starting to write him off after his first start in front of a crowd is utterly ****ing pathetic, even by City fans standards. He hasn’t had a pre season either remember, he’s same as Moore in that regard and he isn’t exactly firing on all cylinders yet either.

Bagan is another coming in for criticsm. I just don’t get it. Did people think they were going to come in and never going to make a mistake? Developing your own players in the first team means they we’ll be learning and developing on the job. Patience is required.
It’s little wonder we don’t produce many of our own players with such a toxic and impatient fan base.

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