Crowds banned from all sporting events in Wales for foreseeable future

[nomad blue]

Re: Crowds banned from all sporting events in Wales for foreseeable future

Everything at the moment is suggesting that Omicron is milder, that less people are being hospitalised and less people are dying.

Isn't the highlighted word above the main one, and means that until it is proven to be more than suggested, that the additional measures are the right thing to do? Plus the more prevelant it is, the more chance of it getting to people who are vulnerable.

And what about the long term effects of people who get Covid? Millions more people getting it could yet again put a massive strain on the NHS further down the line.

Doing nothing and just letting the new variant rip through the country means we end up with god knows how many NHS staff (as well as all the other service people) having to isolate, meaning even more reduction in services and even more deaths.

I couldn't care less about minor inconveniences like not being able to chat at the bar, having to order a beer from my table, or not being able to watch the game at the stadium, considering the severe stress the NHS staff have been, and are being put under, literally risking their lives, having no rest/time off, not seeing their families etc.

[dml1954]

Re: Crowds banned from all sporting events in Wales for foreseeable future

This + throw in some jadedness, some "well if no one else is I won't" and (from now on) some backlash from the Number 10 parties

Up until a few weeks ago, no one actually knew that the so called parties had even taken place, whilst people have been ignoring the ground regulations and guidance since stadiums reopened last May.

[dml1954]

Re: Crowds banned from all sporting events in Wales for foreseeable future

Isn't the highlighted word above the main one, and means that until it is proven to be more than suggested, that the additional measures are the right thing to do? Plus the more prevelant it is, the more chance of it getting to people who are vulnerable.

And what about the long term effects of people who get Covid? Millions more people getting it could yet again put a massive strain on the NHS further down the line.

Doing nothing and just letting the new variant rip through the country means we end up with god knows how many NHS staff (as well as all the other service people) having to isolate, meaning even more reduction in services and even more deaths.

I couldn't care less about minor inconveniences like not being able to chat at the bar, having to order a beer from my table, or not being able to watch the game at the stadium, considering the severe stress the NHS staff have been, and are being put under, literally risking their lives, having no rest/time off, not seeing their families etc.

Its a question of balance and dealing with things proportionately and in the correct order, something which Drakeford and his cronies have sadly failed at in this instance.

[dml1954]

Re: Crowds banned from all sporting events in Wales for foreseeable future

Isn't the highlighted word above the main one, and means that until it is proven to be more than suggested, that the additional measures are the right thing to do? Plus the more prevelant it is, the more chance of it getting to people who are vulnerable.

And what about the long term effects of people who get Covid? Millions more people getting it could yet again put a massive strain on the NHS further down the line.

Doing nothing and just letting the new variant rip through the country means we end up with god knows how many NHS staff (as well as all the other service people) having to isolate, meaning even more reduction in services and even more deaths.

I couldn't care less about minor inconveniences like not being able to chat at the bar, having to order a beer from my table, or not being able to watch the game at the stadium, considering the severe stress the NHS staff have been, and are being put under, literally risking their lives, having no rest/time off, not seeing their families etc.

Those ‘minor inconveniences’ are what has kept many people going over the last two years and enabled them to get out of the house at last and forget their worries, at a time when mental stress and illness has risen dramatically.

[Dorcus]

Re: Crowds banned from all sporting events in Wales for foreseeable future

Went for a few drinks in London last Thursday. Sat outside around a few tables.

6 of the 8 now all got it. Me and one other waiting for it to kick in just as the dish washer needs loading on the 25th

That's a sobering message, hopefully it might make some people realize caution should be the byword here. I hope you escape the bug but if you're unlucky enough to catch it I hope it's very mild in its effects.

[Dorcus]

Re: Crowds banned from all sporting events in Wales for foreseeable future

Isn't the highlighted word above the main one, and means that until it is proven to be more than suggested, that the additional measures are the right thing to do? Plus the more prevelant it is, the more chance of it getting to people who are vulnerable.

And what about the long term effects of people who get Covid? Millions more people getting it could yet again put a massive strain on the NHS further down the line.

Doing nothing and just letting the new variant rip through the country means we end up with god knows how many NHS staff (as well as all the other service people) having to isolate, meaning even more reduction in services and even more deaths.

I couldn't care less about minor inconveniences like not being able to chat at the bar, having to order a beer from my table, or not being able to watch the game at the stadium, considering the severe stress the NHS staff have been, and are being put under, literally risking their lives, having no rest/time off, not seeing their families etc.

Well said!

[xsnaggle]

Re: Crowds banned from all sporting events in Wales for foreseeable future

Isn't the highlighted word above the main one, and means that until it is proven to be more than suggested, that the additional measures are the right thing to do? Plus the more prevelant it is, the more chance of it getting to people who are vulnerable.

And what about the long term effects of people who get Covid? Millions more people getting it could yet again put a massive strain on the NHS further down the line.

Doing nothing and just letting the new variant rip through the country means we end up with god knows how many NHS staff (as well as all the other service people) having to isolate, meaning even more reduction in services and even more deaths.

I couldn't care less about minor inconveniences like not being able to chat at the bar, having to order a beer from my table, or not being able to watch the game at the stadium, considering the severe stress the NHS staff have been, and are being put under, literally risking their lives, having no rest/time off, not seeing their families etc.

Or conversely, if it isn't suggested that it is severe then don't act as if it is!!!!

[dml1954]

Re: Crowds banned from all sporting events in Wales for foreseeable future

I am a shielder due to having a weakened immune system and have been acting responsibly and very carefully for the last 18 months. I would not put myself in a situation where I felt it likely that I would get the virus because most likely that would be it for me. If people like me think that the way the Welsh Government is going about this is wrong, then Drakeford really has got problems.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Crowds banned from all sporting events in Wales for foreseeable future

I am a shielder due to having a weakened immune system and have been acting responsibly and very carefully for the last 18 months. I would not put myself in a situation where I felt it likely that I would get the virus because most likely that would be it for me. If people like me think that the way the Welsh Government is going about this is wrong, then Drakeford really has got problems.

100% agree with you. I feel the same way.

[delmbox]

Re: Crowds banned from all sporting events in Wales for foreseeable future

Up until a few weeks ago, no one actually knew that the so called parties had even taken place, whilst people have been ignoring the ground regulations and guidance since stadiums reopened last May.

Ah sorry I should have put "from now on" in brackets before mentioning the parties, will be clearer next time

[lisvaneblue]

Re: Crowds banned from all sporting events in Wales for foreseeable future

First para: Do you think a number that just about fits into the Millennium Stadium out of a whole country is a reasonable majority?
He seems to be right on this one. What are the benefits?

Second para: As I have previously said, with forecasts as they are (and sport/theatres and pubs closing on their on accord though illness) isn’t it better to be cautious than cross your fingers. This is public health, not a bet on a horse.

to answer the first para...there was a very very small majority that voted for Wales to have devolved government, but that's democracy. Same with the democratic Brexit vote in Wales.

Second Para...I'm not talking about crossing fingers. There are already plenty of measures already in place designed to protect us. Adding more isn't necessarily going make things better. In the past we have been the most cautious of the home nations yet we have not done any better, in fact, on many measures we have done worse.

Also some of the latest restrictions are just daft..Written into law that a a worker can be fined £60 for going to work when they could work from home, and the employer fined £1,000. What about the many, and there are many, who live in Wales but work in England, plus of course the English that travel to Wales for work. Drakeford says the rules still apply, but of course they don't in England.
Even the TUC complained to Drakeford about this naive law.

Then the rule of six...No scientific evidence for it. It was something Michael Gove made up a year or so ago. But what an impact on the hospitality sector.

Same with football attendance ...cant watch CCFC at home, but can attend away games...

All poorly thought through impositions on our lives

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Crowds banned from all sporting events in Wales for foreseeable future

to answer the first para...there was a very very small majority that voted for Wales to have devolved government, but that's democracy. Same with the democratic Brexit vote in Wales.

Second Para...I'm not talking about crossing fingers. There are already plenty of measures already in place designed to protect us. Adding more isn't necessarily going make things better. In the past we have been the most cautious of the home nations yet we have not done any better, in fact, on many measures we have done worse.

Also some of the latest restrictions are just daft..Written into law that a a worker can be fined £60 for going to work when they could work from home, and the employer fined £1,000. What about the many, and there are many, who live in Wales but work in England, plus of course the English that travel to Wales for work. Drakeford says the rules still apply, but of course they don't in England.
Even the TUC complained to Drakeford about this naive law.

Then the rule of six...No scientific evidence for it. It was something Michael Gove made up a year or so ago. But what an impact on the hospitality sector.

Same with football attendance ...cant watch CCFC at home, but can attend away games...

All poorly thought through impositions on our lives

Good post. Can't argue with any of that (not that I want to!).

[LeningradCowboy]

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https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2021-12-24/christmas-display-at-cardiffs-bute-park-forced-to-close-on-boxing-day

Wales’ largest ever Christmas lights trail is to close early due to covid restrictions.

[Tuerto]

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https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2021-...-on-boxing-day

Wales’ largest ever Christmas lights trail is to close early due to covid restrictions.

Not really a surprise, is it?

[LeningradCowboy]

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https://petitions.senedd.wales/petitions/245037

Drop the limit on outdoor gatherings and allow community events to continue