Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

[xsnaggle]

Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

Exactly, right from the start, there were a rump of people who refused to believe that Covid was the killer it has turned out to be (reading the early pages of the main Covid thread on here is very revealing in the cases of some contributors). In the last week, the UK has seen the highest number of Covid deaths in almost a year and still we get this pointless “with” or “from” Covid stuff - what does it matter? Over 150,000 people in this country have died in less than two years after catching Covid and, in every case, the virus was deemed to have played a part in the death - the UK’s figures are among the worst in Europe, I dread to think what they would have been like if we’d treated Covid as lightly as some on here said we should.

I agree with what you say except the part i highlighted.
covid is mentioned on the death certificate if it is present because it is a reportable disease/condition and the doctor is obliged to record it. I think the point people are trying to make is that some of these people would have died anyway.
Agreed some would have died later but their underlying conditions would have got them in the end. The only way we will know this is if the figures begin to show less deaths than historically in the next year or so. we cannot tell that now.
The other point is the number of people taking into hospital to be treated for covid and those that are/were admitted for some other cause and were then 'incidentally' found to give a positive test result for covid. If they die it is still recorded as a covid death, which would seem unreasonable. The number of 'incidental' covid sufferers in hospitals at the moment is very relevant when looking at the threat from the new virus. most of those people didn't even know they had it and showed no symptoms.
It leads some people to think that the NHS or whoever is collating this information is deliberately attempting to make it as scary as possible to inflate the need for restrictions. (Oh sorry Mr Drakeford.... protections)

[Tuerto]

Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

Most people that die in this country have underlying health issues, usually some form of organ failure. Then they catch a virus of some sort and their body isn't strong enough for them to recover. If a brick landed on your head from a great height and you died then the cause of death would be multiple head Injuries. The brick wouldn't get a mention on the death certificate. I'm confusing myself now.

[The Lone Gunman]

Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

Agreed some would have died later but their underlying conditions would have got them in the end. The only way we will know this is if the figures begin to show less deaths than historically in the next year or so. we cannot tell that now.

This is gibberish.

[TWGL1]

Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

This is gibberish.

How is it gibberish when the average age of death with Covid is seven weeks lower compared to the average deaths (82.5) in normal circumstances?


Around three-quarters of deaths involving COVID-19 linked to a record of a positive test result (79.2% in England, Public Health England data, 70.4% in Wales, Public Health Wales data).

[Cyclops]

Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

This thread is a classic example of people who..... seizing upon numbers that suit their own views and sensationalising them without checking their validity.

Wow!
You KNOW this was my view before I saw the video.
That's uncanny!
As a matter of fact, I didn't have a view until yesterday.
Show me a post when I expressed that view.
You're whistling in the wind.
But you know best.
Just as you attempt to rubbish my books when you haven't read them.
And as regards checking the validity of what was revealed by Dr JC (a man with 2 million plus subscribers - some of whom post on here) I did check this and was satisfied on all counts.
You make yerself look foolish with these ungrounded assertions.

[Rjk]

Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

Wow!
You KNOW this was my view before I saw the video.
That's uncanny!
As a matter of fact, I didn't have a view until yesterday.
Show me a post when I expressed that view.
You're whistling in the wind.
But you know best.
Just as you attempt to rubbish my books when you haven't read them.
And as regards checking the validity of what was revealed by Dr JC (a man with 2 million plus subscribers - some of whom post on here) I did check this and was satisfied on all counts.
You make yerself look foolish with these ungrounded assertions.

yeah you wouldn't want to make yourself look foolish posting about things you haven't fully understood would you

[The Lone Gunman]

Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

You make yerself look foolish with these ungrounded assertions.

It’s not me who is looking foolish in this thread, that’s for sure.

[The Lone Gunman]

Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

Just as you attempt to rubbish my books when you haven't read them.

I appreciate your large but evidently fragile ego is bruised at present, but the truth is I haven’t rubbished your books at all. Not once. I’ve no idea what they are about and I’m unable to read them as you won’t reveal their titles.

[goats]

Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

This thread is a classic example of people who don’t really know what they’re talking about seizing upon numbers that suit their own views and sensationalising them without checking their validity.

Cyclops has highlighted the fact that there were ONLY 17,371 deaths from Covid-19 ALONE in England and Wales between 1/1/20 and 30/9/21.

For balance, I have just Googled deaths from influenza ALONE in England and Wales. According to the ONS (the same source as the Covid-19 figure quoted above), the combined total for 2017, 2018 and 2019 was just 3,279.

That total can be broken down as 458 in 2017, 1,598 in 2018 and 1,223 in 2019.

Of course, the totals for influenza AND pneumonia are much larger - 29,516 in 2018 and 26,398 in 2019. But the totals for influenza ALONE are relatively small and considerably smaller than the totals for Covid-19 ALONE.

Makes you wonder why Doctors are so worried about influenza, probably because many oldies develop pneumonia from it, just like cancer patients do, my old man did also. Any serious infection could bump you off with terminal cancer….

[The Lone Gunman]

Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

Makes you wonder why Doctors are so worried about influenza, probably because many oldies develop pneumonia from it, just like cancer patients do, my old man did also. Any serious infection could bump you off with terminal cancer….

Precisely. The current overview of pneumonia on the NHS website reads as follows:

“Pneumonia is swelling (inflammation) of the tissue in one or both of the lungs. It is usually caused by a bacterial infection. It can also be caused by a virus, such as Covid-19.”

It’s almost as if the Covid-19 virus weakens people, especially the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions, leaving them open to further medical complications and possible death.

Who’d have thought it?

[Canton Kev]

Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

Wow!
You KNOW this was my view before I saw the video.
That's uncanny!
As a matter of fact, I didn't have a view until yesterday.
Show me a post when I expressed that view.
You're whistling in the wind.
But you know best.
Just as you attempt to rubbish my books when you haven't read them.
And as regards checking the validity of what was revealed by Dr JC (a man with 2 million plus subscribers - some of whom post on here) I did check this and was satisfied on all counts.
You make yerself look foolish with these ungrounded assertions.

Why do you always descend into personal attacks? You’ve apparently got your answers and enough information for an unwavering viewpoint. So why not rebuke people with the superior facts and knowledge you’ve got?
As for no of subscribers, there’s YouTube channels where kids review Lego toys with 10’s of millions of subscribers and 30yr olds who play video games all day with 50million+ subscribers.

People on YouTube have uploaded videos with hundreds and thousands of views claiming the earth is flat.

[TWGL1]

Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

Why do you always descend into personal attacks? You’ve apparently got your answers and enough information for an unwavering viewpoint. So why not rebuke people with the superior facts and knowledge you’ve got?
As for no of subscribers, there’s YouTube channels where kids review Lego toys with 10’s of millions of subscribers and 30yr olds who play video games all day with 50million+ subscribers.

People on YouTube have uploaded videos with hundreds and thousands of views claiming the earth is flat.

High Covid death rates skewed by people who died from other causes, admits Sajid Javid

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/01/19/high-covid-death-rates-include-people-did-not-die-virus-admits/

[Canton Kev]

Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

High Covid death rates skewed by people who died from other causes, admits Sajid Javid

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...-virus-admits/

From what I can tell that’s mostly since Omicron. The ONS Covid death figures were higher than the official government ones until Omicron and then there was a flip, which is now what Javid is commenting on.

The crux of the issue I want to understand is 150k deaths came from somewhere. If not Covid, where?

[The Lone Gunman]

Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

High Covid death rates skewed by people who died from other causes, admits Sajid Javid

This is also not a new development. I think most of us already knew this was the case.

Interesting graph halfway down the article you linked showing the average death rates for the last five years and the death rates in recent times. The excess deaths. Did you spot that one?

[TWGL1]

Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

Yes I saw that too, that’s concerning, but this article from 2020 could explain it

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/19/lockdown-may-cost-200k-lives-government-report-shows/