Starmer will be investigated by Durham Police ( crazy why now )

[Tito Fuente]

Re: Starmer will be investigated by Durham Police ( crazy why now )

Plenty of stuff on this if you google which suggests the factory was owned by Starmer's father but no hard evidence.

Plenty of stuff on how 5G causes COVID if you Google it but no hard evidence.

[lardy]

Re: Starmer will be investigated by Durham Police ( crazy why now )

Spot on Starmer has dug himself a hole and keeps on digging he was so stupid.

Technically Boris had a cake in his house and workplace with work colleagues (mostly), Starmer travelled miles and had beer and curry with other people who had all travelled from other parts of the country (far greater covid risk), reports some were drunk, so worse.

I think he'll get off and not be found guilty, but the damage has been done, he's just the same as Boris and the rest, one rule for them one rule for rest, although I'm amazed that their are some people that thought any different?

Boris will hope Starmer keeps his job, he's boring with no personality and voters aren't taking to him, and now he can't even claim the moral high ground.

Just the same, although one made the rules, one told the country pretty much daily to follow them, and one lied to parliament about it.

Can't remember which one that is, they're so similar.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: Starmer will be investigated by Durham Police ( crazy why now )

lets be honest here, its all a farce

but lets look at the scenario

a group of people all sit in the same room / office working ( which was in the rules if they felt they couldnt work from home )

the same group order a Indian takeaway and beer / wine , now they sit down with the same people as they have spent the day with and eat that curry and drink a beer or 2, this is now wrong

I know we had Covid rules for a purpose, but lets have some common sense, the above scenario shows it was a joke in some instances

now its happened to both party leaders, maybe its to put it to bed, Boris has apologised and isn't going to resign, Starmer can do the same and maybe both get on with doing the jobs they are paid to do

I've always agreed that it's a storm in a teacup, neither should have offered to resign, travelling miles and meeting different people from all different parts of the country is more of a covid risk though, but it was for a by-election so had to happen, we need some common sense lot's of people broke covid rules like five mile travel etc.

[Rjk]

Re: Starmer will be investigated by Durham Police ( crazy why now )

give people a plausible option and they will believe what they want, no matter how many mental gymnastics are required to get there.

since the downing Street parties issue started having an impact on the opinion polls toy can guarantee that the Tories have been desperately searching for something similar, no matter how weak, to tar Kier Starmer with. they've hit upon a pretty weak example tbh but the tabloids are running with it and plenty of people who lean Tory but were not impressed by the downing Street parties will have convinced themselves that "they're all as bad as each other ".

this is the modern way, you don't need proof, you just need a counter narrative and people will fill in the gaps in their own heads.

Starmer will very likely be cleared by the Durham police, but the whole exercise will have served its purpose by then

[Tito Fuente]

Re: Starmer will be investigated by Durham Police ( crazy why now )

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61389100

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: Starmer will be investigated by Durham Police ( crazy why now )

Just the same, although one made the rules, one told the country pretty much daily to follow them, and one lied to parliament about it.

Can't remember which one that is, they're so similar.

One made the rules the other agreed to them, both told the country to follow them as did Drakeford in Wales, both have told parliament they don't think the broke the rules so the same. Only difference is one did it in his office with mostly people he worked with, the other travelled hundreds of miles and mixed with friends and colleagues who he doesn't normally work with, so greater chance of community transmission.

One said it's terrible and anyone doing it should resign when he knew he'd done the same himself, what a school boy error!

[Rjk]

Re: Starmer will be investigated by Durham Police ( crazy why now )

lets be honest here, its all a farce

but lets look at the scenario

a group of people all sit in the same room / office working ( which was in the rules if they felt they couldnt work from home )

the same group order a Indian takeaway and beer / wine , now they sit down with the same people as they have spent the day with and eat that curry and drink a beer or 2, this is now wrong

I know we had Covid rules for a purpose, but lets have some common sense, the above scenario shows it was a joke in some instances

now its happened to both party leaders, maybe its to put it to bed, Boris has apologised and isn't going to resign, Starmer can do the same and maybe both get on with doing the jobs they are paid to do

here is the False equivalence the Tories have been trying to sow.

one are some food with people he was working with and the other attended a succession of parties.

one has been found to have done wrong and fined, the other will almost certainly not be fined.

[lardy]

Re: Starmer will be investigated by Durham Police ( crazy why now )

One made the rules the other agreed to them, both told the country to follow them as did Drakeford in Wales, both have told parliament they don't think the broke the rules so the same. Only difference is one did it in his office with mostly people he worked with, the other travelled hundreds of miles and mixed with friends and colleagues who he doesn't normally work with, so greater chance of community transmission.

One said it's terrible and anyone doing it should resign when he knew he'd done the same himself, what a school boy error!

Has Starmer said that in parliament?

[JamesWales]

Re: Starmer will be investigated by Durham Police ( crazy why now )

here is the False equivalence the Tories have been trying to sow.

one are some food with people he was working with and the other attended a succession of parties.

one has been found to have done wrong and fined, the other will almost certainly not be fined.

In all seriousness though, do you think staff in the office giving Boris Johnson a cake on his birthday, in their own office, when he had been in intensive care and all the rest of it, is materially worse than what Starmer has done.

The parties in Downing St offices are something else and a worse situation, but thinking specifically about the cake?

My point is that neither scenario is the crime of the century

[lardy]

Re: Starmer will be investigated by Durham Police ( crazy why now )

In all seriousness though, do you think staff in the office giving Boris Johnson a cake on his birthday, in their own office, when he had been in intensive care and all the rest of it, is materially worse than what Starmer has done.

The parties in Downing St offices are something else and a worse situation, but thinking specifically about the cake?

My point is that neither scenario is the crime of the century

In all seriousness, given that you've surely written more words on this subject that anyone else on ccmb, do you think it's just about Johnson eating a cake?

[Eric Cartman]

Re: Starmer will be investigated by Durham Police ( crazy why now )

In all seriousness though, do you think staff in the office giving Boris Johnson a cake on his birthday, in their own office, when he had been in intensive care and all the rest of it, is materially worse than what Starmer has done.

The parties in Downing St offices are something else and a worse situation, but thinking specifically about the cake?

My point is that neither scenario is the crime of the century

Pretty similar by my reckoning without knowing everything about either event, the only difference being that although the rules might not have been materially too different from may 2020 to April 2021, peoples attitudes towards them and willingness to follow them was. I personally was sacrificing far more in may 2020 so it hits home more if 'they' weren't doing the same.

As you say though, cakegate is the tip of the iceberg in terms of downing Street.

[ninian opinian]

Re: Starmer will be investigated by Durham Police ( crazy why now )

In all seriousness though, do you think staff in the office giving Boris Johnson a cake on his birthday, in their own office, when he had been in intensive care and all the rest of it, is materially worse than what Starmer has done.

The parties in Downing St offices are something else and a worse situation, but thinking specifically about the cake?

My point is that neither scenario is the crime of the century

Intensive care, he nearly died. Do me a favour :hehe::hehe::hehe:

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: Starmer will be investigated by Durham Police ( crazy why now )

Has Starmer said that in parliament?

Not sure if he's been in since, but he's told the World he didn't think he broke the rules the same as Boris, and when he is in he can't change his story now.

At the end of the day they are all the same, one rule for them one rule for us, but it's always been like that and always will be, people shouldn't expect any different.

[lardy]

Re: Starmer will be investigated by Durham Police ( crazy why now )

Not sure if he's been in since, but he's told the World he didn't think he broke the rules the same as Boris, and when he is in he can't change his story now.

At the end of the day they are all the same, one rule for them one rule for us, but it's always been like that and always will be, people shouldn't expect any different.

Saying it in parliament is the crucial part. That's why Johnson is being investigated by the privileges committee.

[Rjk]

Re: Starmer will be investigated by Durham Police ( crazy why now )

Not sure if he's been in since, but he's told the World he didn't think he broke the rules the same as Boris, and when he is in he can't change his story now.

At the end of the day they are all the same, one rule for them one rule for us, but it's always been like that and always will be, people shouldn't expect any different.

of course the Tories want you to think that it's the same, but it's not even close, after months of scouring around to turn up any dirt on Starmer this is the best they could do, and they know Tory mugs everywhere will lap it up.
Starmer will not be fined and Johnson may have further damaging information to come out about his parties. this is all about lessening the blow on Johnson