Have The Tories Come A Long Way ( Are They More Diverse Than Other Parties )

[the other bob wilson]

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Unfortunately, The Guardian is as predictable as the Daily Mail.

I’d be interested to know which party you think the Guardian is aligned to as strongly as the Mail is to the Conservatives. I’d describe the Guardian as anti Conservative more than anything else - a bit like me.

The Mirror’s a Labour paper, not sure the Guardian is, but, if it is, it’s a fairly recent transition.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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I’d be interested to know which party you think the Guardian is allied to as strongly as the Mail is to the Conservatives. I’d describe the Guardian as anti Conservative more than anything else - a bit like me.

The Mirror’s a Labour paper, not sure the Guardian is, but, if it is, it’s a fairly recent transition.

There's the predictability I mentioned.

[the other bob wilson]

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It's a little OTT that, a bit of a hatchet job. Nearly every politician tries to play up how ordinary their background or current lives are - that's par for the course. Indeed, par for society really.

Leeds North East is part of the red-wall and she did grow up there.

It’s a Labour seat that was Sir Keith Joseph’s old constituency for thirty one years, hardly your typical red wall seat. Maybe it is a hatchet job, I don’t know and neither do you, but it gives an alternative view of the place Liz Truss has rubbished - your default position is to disbelieve the story, mine is the opposite.

[the other bob wilson]

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There's the predictability I mentioned.

So which party does it back? I can think of six national daily’s that are Conservative backers at election time and three which tend not to endorse the Conservatives, but only one of those consistently backs the Labour Party. It’s hardly a fair balance and I’d also remind you that Wikipedia does not consider the Daily Mail reliable enough to use as a reference. Despite its faults, the Guardian is a far more objective paper than the Mail

[JamesWales]

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It’s a Labour seat that was Sir Keith Joseph’s old constituency for thirty one years, hardly your typical red wall seat. Maybe it is a hatchet job, I don’t know and neither do you, but it gives an alternative view of the place Liz Truss has rubbished - your default position is to disbelieve the story, mine is the opposite.

No, my default position is to trust journalists no more than I do politicians. In fact, given no one elected them, and they only have to give their readership what they want to read, I probably trust them even less.

It's just predictable stuff, which after a while gets very boring. Whether it's the Daily Mail picking on Corbyns suit, or the guardian finding some journalist to pull apart Liz Truss's back story..it's all just pulling people in one direction and away from any sensible middle ground.

Guardian nearly always supports Labour, sometimes Lib Dems, although from recollection I think TOBW is right in that their position is generally anti-conservative more than anything. Very grown up.

I think the standard of writing is higher at the guardian than the Mail - one is a tabloid and one isn't says it all. Where the guardian falls down is in it's editorial purity. You simply won't read about a story that isn't aligned to it's editorial position - so everything about brexit is negative, everything about the Tories is negative etc etc. It's just not reporting things as they are.

Daily Mail probably has a greater diversity of opinion in all honesty - and it shows.

[the other bob wilson]

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No, my default position is to trust journalists no more than I do politicians. In fact, given no one elected them, and they only have to give their readership what they want to read, I probably trust them even less.

It's just predictable stuff, which after a while gets very boring. Whether it's the Daily Mail picking on Corbyns suit, or the guardian finding some journalist to pull apart Liz Truss's back story..it's all just pulling people in one direction and away from any sensible middle ground.

Guardian nearly always supports Labour, sometimes Lib Dems, although from recollection I think TOBW is right in that their position is generally anti-conservative more than anything. Very grown up.

I think the standard of writing is higher at the guardian than the Mail - one is a tabloid and one isn't says it all. Where the guardian falls down is in it's editorial purity. You simply won't read about a story that isn't aligned to it's editorial position - so everything about brexit is negative, everything about the Tories is negative etc etc. It's just not reporting things as they are.

Daily Mail probably has a greater diversity of opinion in all honesty - and it shows.

James Wales has “pronounced” in his inimitable fashion, so that’s an end to the discussion then.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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So which party does it back? I can think of six national daily’s that are Conservative backers at election time and three which tend not to endorse the Conservatives, but only one of those consistently backs the Labour Party. It’s hardly a fair balance and I’d also remind you that Wikipedia does not consider the Daily Mail reliable enough to use as a reference. Despite its faults, the Guardian is a far more objective paper than the Mail

I didn't mention a party it backs, Bob. I merely mentioned its predictability.

[the other bob wilson]

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I didn't mention a party it backs, Bob. I merely mentioned its predictability.

You were saying it’s just the same as the Daily Mail, I don’t see how it can be when it doesn’t always slavishly endorse the same party.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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You were saying it’s just the same as the Daily Mail, I don’t see how it can be when it doesn’t always slavishly endorse the same party.

I said it was as predictable. I didn't say it was the same.

[Lither_1927]

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I just found out that Penny Muardant is one of them childless freak career women. Which should automatically ban her from the leadership race and Parliament, if i had my way. She's also intellectually barren.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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I just found out that Penny Muardant is one of them childless freak career women. Which should automatically ban her from the leadership race and Parliament, if i had my way. She's also intellectually barren.

Says a man who misspelt her name.

[Dorcus]

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Says a man who misspelt her name.

He's got form remember, he misspelt his own!

[Lither_1927]

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Says a man who misspelt her name.

Petty

[Dorcus]

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Petty

Tom? Don't forget the Heartbreakers!

[the other bob wilson]

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I said it was as predictable. I didn't say it was the same.

The Guardian carries a weekly column by the deputy political editor of the right wing magazine The Spectator and I’ve read plenty of articles written by Conservative MPs in there down the years. The Guardian is “predictable” to the extent that it has a political position and, by and large, it reflects that, but show me a UK National newspaper that doesn’t do that - even the Daily Star carries political headlines on occasions these days and the former Independent is no longer that, all of them are “predictable” to varying degrees.