Quote Originally Posted by pipster View Post
If you think taking politician X out and putting politician Y in power is going to change your life - I think that will not happen. There are bigger forces present than just a flavour of politics. We had a global pandemic, supply chains still not working, global depression, we had Ukraine and the ongoing Russian threat and not forgetting we all voted for Brexit to happen. Corbyns politics would have made a bad situation worse. Starmer in power or Sunak - wont make a blind bit of difference other than to give fools false hope.

Usual rule of thumb is 12-18 years in power then change - then the other lot come in - rinse and repeat. Apart from in Wales - where we only have 1 party in power and they have no fear of c0cking anything up - as they know they'll be returned into power every time by a small minority of lemmings
To a degree I agree. The situation is now so grave that any politician now has an elephant-sized turd to clean up with a teaspoon.

The accumulation of UK debt is a disaster waiting to happen.But it has occurred across these period from the two Labour and Conservative periods:

1. New Labour 2006-2010 (1997-2005 was OK and fhey were good) . When Brown started yanking control of the government departments around 2005 the rot started. The government spending and debt started wasnaccelerating from around 2006, prior to the crash. But the GFC crash made it worse.

2. The post Cameron-Osborne Conservatives since around 2016-2024 (Cameron and Osborne stablised the huge debt). After that, the Conservatives lost control of economic competence

Whoever comes in now cannot be worse than Sunak. He has lost control of the econony, NHS, schooling, infrastructure and roads, social housing, private housing, and even private landlords have had enough (that takes some doing). Business support is dropping off the cliff. Both personal and party image is irrecoverable short term - and that view is fully justified. The man is cretinous. It is not so much that Starmer is a genius. It is partly that he cannot be any worse. He just needs to be average to look relatively great. And partly because he at least sounds adult like.

As for Welsh politics, the saying doing the rounds if you are a Welsh Labour leader, is that “Your South Career is even safer than the job in North Korea”. I like it!