Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
What are you wittering on about now?

There was no proven collusion between Trump and Putin to a standard that would allow a criminal conviction. But moving away from the strictly legal definition of collusion there was consistent collaboration, sharing of aims and intelligence and a convergence of ideas and interests. The result was that Russian state actors, and private troll factories directed by Putin allies, aided Trump and attacked Clinton throughout the 2016 election campaign.

That is not ‘another topic’. You claim ‘hoax’ whilst at the same time admitting Russian co-ordinated interventions in the election to aid Putin’s buddy Trump. In non-legal terms there is clearly collusion. But there was not enough evidence to meet the very high and legalistic bar needed for a US federal prosecution.

But what Russia did - what you admit they did (whilst falsely claiming that all governments do it - many don’t have the capacity, and they have to chose a side) - is heart and centre of the story, ‘the topic’.

I have no idea what ‘the same in all cases’ means.
It's 2024, we know exactly what happened, and it's not the Rachel Maddow version of events that you are clinging on to