Reply With QuoteIgnore what?Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
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Why not just ignore it?
Ignore what?
That's what happens when suppressed feelings rise to the surface
It depends if people are using the language to get a rise or because, which I suspect is more common, they just use **** and gyppo as the words for the man in the shop or the badly dressed guy.
To give an example to my post, a few years ago an rac man came to help me and said "thank god its your car, I thought it was going to be them pakis" indicating some Asian men. He wasn't trying to get a rise, it's just how he saw them.
People doing what I did, which was say absolutely nothing, don't help at all.
To me that's very obviously racist.
I guess context is everything.
By the way, why is calling an Australian an "aussie" ok?
the 1990s was full of racist songs, check this out
So you wish you would have called him out on using the term "****" rather than his obvious dislike of doing any work for them. The fact he doesn't want to work for them is the most racist part imo.
It's because of the context, surely. Australians call themselves aussies, it's a cute name that they embrace.
As far as I know, the word **** was born when people went ****-bashing (would be interested if anyone finds it was used before the 60s) and doesn't just refer to Pakistanis but anyone from that area of the world.
As you say, context.
He would probably have worked for them, I didn't believe for a second he'd refuse to. But I don't know this 100% so I can only judge him on his words and not actions. Guessing that he might not have wanted to help is not racist, just an assumption.
My point, which I'm sure you actually know, is not my own regrets but that by doing absolutely nothing (which you're suggesting will help) I changed absolutely nothing. If anything, I probably validated his racism a little bit.
Context yes, during the 70's i was told to do down the pakis, over to the chinkies etc. etc.it was simple shortening of names, during the 70's i heard Richie Benaud refer to the Pakistani team as pakis during live commo on TV, no outrage from anyone, looking back perhaps the liberal use of these words and others like them were wrong however, was the country more racist back then? when all these nasty words were being banded about ?, i'd suggest not but that maybe because the medium wasn't about to complain about it
It's easy to be dismissive of political correctness from our privileged position, but it is probably a small price to pay for the genuine improvement in many people's lives due to the widespread change in behaviour towards minority groups, compared to say 40 or 50 years ago. In its original form the term did not by default mean excessive, contrived behaviour but has come to be associated with that.
A big part of this is basic, day-to-day courtesy and consideration. I think a lot people in the 70s would have taken that regardless of suspected motives. It obviously goes too far at times but I think overall has been a positive development.
You own a Toyota?
This will amaze you but it was a Focus. Probably the only Focus in the country that ever needed to be seen by the RAC.
Exactly my thought on the matter. Stewart Lee did a really good bit that had a similar message.
Interesting question, were we more racist? I wasn't an adult in the 70s so couldn't say. But when you see some newspapers and media today then I'd guess we can be just as racist but perhaps a little more subtle about it.
I do wonder if this would even be getting talked about if Wales had won the game
I would imagine so. Can't see why not.
Nice to see some decent, sometimes mature discussion.
Drip drip drip
Nope
I see that the fat lady hasn't quite sang on this one yet.
no real surprise
No surprise at all. Hopefully, he will get what he deserves rather than the previous whitewash.
Isn't 4 weeks for the offence in question?
It's really quite an open and shut case imo
4 weeks is the entry point, it could possibly be far more than that and probably will be. Rugby needs to make a real stance and be seen to be strong on this matter.
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