Gender Change................

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

What can they perv at? In a men's toilets we have urinals and we stand two urinals apart to avoid splashback and awkward conversation. In a ladies' toilet, it's all cubicles isn't it?

Are you seriously asking me why a pervert would bother going into a womens toilet?

[Steve R]

Yeah, standing up for transgender ppl and immigrants and being proud of me being an immigrant and having experiences that are against their prejudices makes me a troll apparently

Don't play the race card with me sonny.

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

Are you seriously asking me why a pervert would bother going into a womens toilet?

Yes.

[goslow]

Yeah, standing up for transgender ppl and immigrants and being proud of me being an immigrant and having experiences that are against their prejudices makes me a troll apparently

Where were you born?

[Richyrich]

No, you have missed the point. How am I suppose to tell if they're transgender or just some perv?

When they pop their head over the partition.

[adz-a32]

That does not answer my question.

I'd let Badly Ironed Shirt explain it for me, from a previous post on this thread

Ah, so the article doesn't matter now. Transvestites are not allowed into women's toilets, to the best of my knowledge. Transgender people are. Do you think perverted men are going through the sex change operation purely to sit in the cubicle next to you as you piss?

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

Yes.

I suppose you'd have to find a pervert and ask them.

[adz-a32]

Where were you born?

Britain, I am a second generation. Why you asking? Is it your business?

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

Simple solution,three sets of toilets-
Gentlemen
Ladies
Freaks

No confusion and it will save the colonel having to strangle anyone.

Ah, you're just suggesting that to avoid the queues for the gents.

[adz-a32]

Don't play the race card with me sonny.

I am not playing the race card ffs

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

When they pop their head over the partition.

Tell that to BIS, he can't imagine a situation where a pervert would bother going into a womens toilet.

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

I'd let Badly Ironed Shirt explain it for me, from a previous post on this thread

That still doesn't answer the question adz.

[Steve R]

I am not playing the race card ffs

I didn't mention immigrants.

[adz-a32]

I didn't mention immigrants.

My mistake is I misinterpreted your comment

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

I suppose you'd have to find a pervert and ask them.

If there is a perv eager to watch a woman pissing, putting on a frock and walking into a cubicle-fest of a public toilet seems to be a bit of a stupid way to go about it.

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

Tell that to BIS, he can't imagine a situation where a pervert would bother going into a womens toilet.

No, I can't imagine a situation where they'd dress as a woman to do it. I'm fairly certain this stuff happens regularly - judging by the angst of the knee-jerk-reactionaries - but I've not heard a single case. I have heard a number of stories about blokes just walking into ladies bathrooms and peering over the edge though.

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

If there is a perv eager to watch a woman pissing, putting on a frock and walking into a cubicle-fest of a public toilet seems to be a bit of a stupid way to go about it.

Well not anymore since there'd be people like you and adz defending their right to do it under the guise of them "identifying as a woman"

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

Well not anymore since there'd be people like you and adz defending their right to do it under the guise of them "identifying as a woman"

Now, where exactly have I defended a pervert's right to dress as a woman to perv at women pissing?

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

No, I can't imagine a situation where they'd dress as a woman to do it. I'm fairly certain this stuff happens regularly - judging by the angst of the knee-jerk-reactionaries - but I've not heard a single case. I have heard a number of stories about blokes just walking into ladies bathrooms and peering over the edge though.

Exactly, here's adz's original point:

I aint taking the piss. This is about the right for people to have identity, ppl should use the bathroom of which gender they want to identify with.

Wish ppl here would accept changes and stop being bigoted



So basically he said that any bloke should be able to mosey into the ladies room if they "identify as a woman". Well that wouldn't pass muster with me I'm afraid.

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

Exactly, here's adz's original point:

I aint taking the piss. This is about the right for people to have identity, ppl should use the bathroom of which gender they want to identify with.

Wish ppl here would accept changes and stop being bigoted



So basically he said that any bloke should be able to mosey into the ladies room if they "identify as a woman". Well that wouldn't pass muster with me I'm afraid.

Well, I'll let him explain what he meant there. It could be that you've misinterpreted. I think adz's main argument was that toilets should be gender neutral, not sure I agree with that, but if that's the basis of his argument then it throws open the whole statement. Over to you adz.

[goslow]

Britain, I am a second generation. Why you asking? Is it your business?

Then you're not an immigrant are you .

[Mrs Steve R]

Honest question, how many on here have been DESPERATE for a s**t and the gents have been full, used the ladies. ?

You would check first I think because you are polite.

What rights have you lost if a transgender woman uses the same public toilet as you?

The right to dispose of my sanitry products, change clothing, change my childs nappy ect in the PRIVACY of other women.

How am I being a shrill? For standing up for the rights of transgender people? I understand it's a hard argument, hence why bathrooms should be gender neutral in this day and age

Cant believe the bigotry on this thread smfh

Do you care about my rights? snfh?

I don't think women are going to be happy about all those left up seats and puddles of piss on the floors of these non gender toilets.

Where the hell are the red and yellow card smiley?

It's the new way here. Say something, people disagree and - within 2 posts - start assassinating your character as opposed to debating the points.

Irony

[Vimana.]

There is a difference between transvestite and transgender

Of course.
Though, in a toilet, it is not easy to tell. is it.

Do you want people to wear badges? Of course you don't.
So, the point , as I understand, that a couple of posters made is that, it is hard to tell. And they are not nesessarily comfortable about that.
Is that wrong? I don't think it is, is it?

As far as I am concerned, for whatever my opinion is worth, I don't have any issue with a Transgender sharing my 'toilet space', but frankly I'm not so keen on trannies riding on the coat-tails (oops!) of that, not that I care, but it causes potential confusion for the very, very, many that do mind.
Where are those peoples rights?


It IS a valid point for people to ask how anybody would tell a TG (effectively same-sex) from a Transvestite (opposite sex).

People do have rights to say that they don't want something foisted on them.
When did that stop?

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

Well, I'll let him explain what he meant there. It could be that you've misinterpreted. I think adz's main argument was that toilets should be gender neutral, not sure I agree with that, but if that's the basis of his argument then it throws open the whole statement. Over to you adz.

What's to misinterpret? His point is right there:

ppl should use the bathroom of which gender they want to identify with

Nothing to do with "blokes putting on frocks to use the ladies". The point I disagree with is right there, I don't want any old bloke moseying into the ladies when my wife and daughter are in there and being able to weasel his way out of it by simply claiming he "identifies as a woman". **** that.
Again, if that makes me an idiot or a bigot then I'll happily be one.

[adz-a32]

Well, I'll let him explain what he meant there. It could be that you've misinterpreted. I think adz's main argument was that toilets should be gender neutral, not sure I agree with that, but if that's the basis of his argument then it throws open the whole statement. Over to you adz.

Alright, my point is that is there is a transgender person, they should be able to go to the bathroom of the gender they identify with. With regards to gender neutral toilets, thinking about it, I can see both pros and cons