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Puts losing a football match into perspective.
Awful news.
RIP
Jon -
Very well said.
RIP a young woman representing what she believed in, in a democratic society.
She wasn't hit by a bus. She was murdered in the street for her political opinion. People with 'faux outrage/remorse' are actually saddened and shocked that this could happen in Britain.
Other members of the Britain First community must have known what he planned to do. Why didn't any of them stop him?
Not so sure about your second paragraph - often people who do things like Mair, apparently, did are loners who have little contact with others. Such people can feel like outcasts of society, but, perhaps, one thing a referendum when there are only two options available to voters, as opposed to the choices an election offers, may do is make those whose opinions are on the extreme edges of the two viewpoints represented in the vote feel that they "belong" more than they would normally. It may even be that they feel that any direct action they take against the "other side" is, somehow, backed by those who plan to vote the same way as they would - I hope and trust that Mair was acting on his own, he may have thought he was obeying orders so to speak, but, surely, there is no basis in reality for him believing that?
Agree completely with your first paragraph though - I thought of what happened in Birstall yesterday before the events which were occurring around the same time on some football pitch when I woke up this morning.
Interesting though that people are (rightly) highlighting the attackers problems with menral illnesses as the cause of the attack, rather than his political views.
Why is it easier to make that distinction with a white British guy than with a Muslim?
Myself included in that.
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Thought this was an interesting point.
The only difference between a religious figure preaching hate and a newspaper preaching hate is the level of exposure and reach. Our media seems set on inciting anger and rage and, as the image above captures perfectly, this can have real and tragic consequences when someone isn't in full control of themselves.
Absolutely dreadful
RIP
Apparently another labour mp has received death threats today
https://www.facebook.com/LBC/videos/10154053359791558/
Waffles on a bit but imo he has it spot on.
I saw some of the posts last night before they were deleted from this thread. They degenerated very quickly into abuse, swearing and escalating insults.
However, the point that kicked it off from CCFC Casual was a fair one - if only it had been made in a different way. There is a habit of celebrity worship and of starting threads inviting RIP comments if they die. That applies to those with genuine talent and decades of achievement, and those who are obscure because they haven't done much or famous for being famous. I admit to contributing to some of those if I feel a sense of personal loss, but ignoring the majority. [In the case of fellow Bluebirds who die I think a CCFC messageboard is exactly the right place to mark their passing and invite tributes and memories, and also condolences even from other fans who never knew him or her].
I understand that some of these threads can look like posturing, or devaluing the pain and deaths of the little known neighbour or friend, or an example of the Diana Syndrome. It may also be true that many on this Board will have woken up this morning thinking more of Sturridge's 92nd minute winner than Jo Cox. Fair enough, but not for me.
The reason I think this death stands out and deserves our attention was because of what it represents and what it threatens. Few if any of us will have known Jo Cox personally and most will never have heard of her. There are many youngish women with children and ability who die in tragic circumstances. Some of them are murdered. If they are strangers to us we may be moved and we may want to share our thoughts with friends, family or even a bunch of anonymous usernames on a football messageboard. But this murder happened in the middle of a fractious and divisive referendum campaign. It appears to be politically motivated. It has led to the suspension of campaigning for 2 days and the recall of Parliament. It has drawn attention to some of the issues that Jo Cox campaigned for - especially the civilian victims of the civil war in Syria. It has been a major news story across the world media and in many parliaments or assemblies. It has exposed the level of potential danger faced by many MPs with at least 75% of them saying they have been threatened with injury, rape or death by anonymous cowards via social media. If we value any kind of representative democracy (with all its faults and weaknesses) then that should worry us all.
It seems as if the majority of political reaction to Jo Cox's murder has been restrained and mature. It does appear to be a politically motivated act, but it also seems that the man in custody has had mental health problems. The way the campaign has been managed on both sides has ramped up the temperature and the rhetoric and may have contributed in some way to what happened - but if the shock of the murder makes both sides calm down and treat the electorate with a bit more respect that will be one small positive out of a tragedy.
Last edited by jon1959; 17-06-16 at 18:56.
Yeah it's another great post by Jon1959. I think we should leave it at that.