Cornelius

[jon1959]

Fair point I guess, but you could argue that Medel and Caulker were key players for us, even French Kev was decent.

Less said about Odemwingie and the Uruguayan kid the better I guess though tbf

The Uruguayan kid (Maxi Amondarian) really was 'one for the future'. He now plays for Elche B after a successful trial with their reserve team (i.e the Reserve team's reserve team). It seems the future is still some way off:

Elche Club de Fútbol Ilicitano is a Spanish football club based in Elche, in the autonomous community of Valencia. Founded in 1932 as Club Deportivo Ilicitano, a farm team, it is the reserve team of Elche CF, and plays in Tercera División – Group 6, holding home games at Ciudad Deportiva Elche CF, with a capacity of 2,000 seats.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Fair point I guess, but you could argue that Medel and Caulker were key players for us, even French Kev was decent.

Less said about Odemwingie and the Uruguayan kid the better I guess though tbf

Mackay probably broke even with his transfers (even if his Championship signings of Gunnar, Mutch, Connolly, Campbell etc) were better than his Prem ones!). The profits on Mutch and Mason outweigh the loss on Cornelius.

OGS pissed money up the wall on dross that we had to cut loose.

[CCFC CASUAL]

Fair point I guess, but you could argue that Medel and Caulker were key players for us, even French Kev was decent.

Less said about Odemwingie and the Uruguayan kid the better I guess though tbf

Key in what? Getting relegated?

The point is even if Gary Medel was a decent player and we made our money back on him Hull signed 5 / 6 players for about we paid for him that improved their team.

[Mr Soul '68]

Stan Collymore on Talk Sport on the Friday evening, before the premier league kicked off, said that in his opinion of the teams coming up from the Championship, Palace and Hull would survive (which proved to be right) as both teams had spent wisely. Whilst he felt we were certain relegation candidates due to the poor buys Malky had made over the summer. And so it thus proved....

[ManBearPig]

Yes, a lot of pundits pointed out that our top scorer the season before barely made it to double figures and we need someone to get the goals. Malky though that was A-Corn. It was incredibly poor judgment to risk that money on potential when we desperately needed a proven goal threat.

[TH63]

Key in what? Getting relegated?

The point is even if Gary Medel was a decent player and we made our money back on him Hull signed 5 / 6 players for about we paid for him that improved their team.

Well yeah, of course we went down, but surely you'll agree that medel was one of our best players that season?

[ManBearPig]

Well yeah, of course we went down, but surely you'll agree that medel was one of our best players that season?

He was, but he was not £10m (i think) better than Huddleston who was also available. Although he was better than Capoue who we tired to sign and bombed at Spurs

[ManBearPig]

Although I appreciate that this is all with the benefit of hindsight....

[lardy]

Key in what? Getting relegated?

The point is even if Gary Medel was a decent player and we made our money back on him Hull signed 5 / 6 players for about we paid for him that improved their team.

I don't think we went down for the quality of our squad or poor buying. There were other teams above us worse on paper. But from about the end of November we started becoming less than the sum of our parts.

For me, our squad was good enough to survive. We didn't go down when the transfer window shut.

[CCFC CASUAL]

I don't think we went down for the quality of our squad or poor buying. There were other teams above us worse on paper. But from about the end of November we started becoming less than the sum of our parts.

For me, our squad was good enough to survive. We didn't go down when the transfer window shut.

Totally disagree, for me that squad was not good enough, it didnt have enough goals in it, and it lacked any real Premiership experience apart from Bellamy.

We crawled over the line the year before and added 4 senior players to that squad, 2 of which moved from another country.

I dont know what you mean by "We didnt go down when the transfer window shut" as no club has been relegated by the time the transfer window shuts?? Not to my knowledge anyway??

[CCFC CASUAL]

Well yeah, of course we went down, but surely you'll agree that medel was one of our best players that season?

Thought he was massively overated personally, he wasnt fit enough for the Premier League.

[lardy]

Totally disagree, for me that squad was not good enough, it didnt have enough goals in it, and it lacked any real Premiership experience apart from Bellamy.

We crawled over the line the year before and added 4 senior players to that squad, 2 of which moved from another country.

I dont know what you mean by "We didnt go down when the transfer window shut" as no club has been relegated by the time the transfer window shuts?? Not to my knowledge anyway??

Crawled over the line. We walked it 8 points clear and lost one game in the last quarter of the season...that one against Peterborough. I really don't know why there are still some fans who rubbish that season, I said at the time on here that there's every chance we won't be winning that division again in our lifetimes.

Anyway, this is about the PL season. When I say didn't go down when the window shut, for me that's what people who say the squad wasn't good enough are saying. That we never had a chance.

But despite barely winning a game from Christmas Day onwards, we were still in with a mathematical shout of staying up after we'd played our 36th game (though we all knew what was coming by then). That squad was good enough to stay up, if only because the bottom half dozen squads in the division were also crap.

I agree on the squad lacking goals and pace, but a couple more wins and a draw somewhere in the season and we'd have stayed up. This is why I say we were 'good' enough to survive - because the rest of the crap teams were very nearly as crap as us.

[lardy]

To put my point another way, can anyone say that if our transfers and Hull's had been reversed, would they have gone down while we stayed up? I don't think so. No one can tell me that Huddlestone is a better player than Medel.

We would still have had our major problems, including (but not limited to) team spirit and organisation. This is where our downfall was.

[CCFC CASUAL]

Crawled over the line. We walked it 8 points clear and lost one game in the last quarter of the season...that one against Peterborough. I really don't know why there are still some fans who rubbish that season, I said at the time on here that there's every chance we won't be winning that division again in our lifetimes.

Anyway, this is about the PL season. When I say didn't go down when the window shut, for me that's what people who say the squad wasn't good enough are saying. That we never had a chance.

But despite barely winning a game from Christmas Day onwards, we were still in with a mathematical shout of staying up after we'd played our 36th game (though we all knew what was coming by then). That squad was good enough to stay up, if only because the bottom half dozen squads in the division were also crap.

I agree on the squad lacking goals and pace, but a couple more wins and a draw somewhere in the season and we'd have stayed up. This is why I say we were 'good' enough to survive - because the rest of the crap teams were very nearly as crap as us.

Yes crawled over the line. We won 3 of our final 13 games. Every time we slipped up we never got put under any pressure. Compared to the last two championship seasons where theres been 3 or 4 teams putting real pressure on each other in the running then we crawled over the line.

That 8 point gap was largely thanks to the work done in the first half of the season especially at home.

And we are going to have to agree to disagree on the Prem season, wether Huddlestone is as good as Medel as individual isnt the point. What we spent on Medel, Caulker and Cornelius Hull were able to buy (or loan) Huddlestone, Livermore, Figeuroa, Curtis Davies, Elmohamady, Mcgregor, Long and Jelavic and still have change. Neither of the promotion winning squads were good enough but Hull totally overhauled theirs whereas we didnt.

[CCFC CASUAL]

He was, but he was not £10m (i think) better than Huddleston who was also available. Although he was better than Capoue who we tired to sign and bombed at Spurs

For what we paid for Medel, Hull purchased Huddlestone, Livermore on loan, Curtis Davies, and Figueroa.

[lardy]

Yes crawled over the line. We won 3 of our final 13 games. Every time we slipped up we never got put under any pressure. Compared to the last two championship seasons where theres been 3 or 4 teams putting real pressure on each other in the running then we crawled over the line.

That 8 point gap was largely thanks to the work done in the first half of the season especially at home.

And we are going to have to agree to disagree on the Prem season, wether Huddlestone is as good as Medel as individual isnt the point. What we spent on Medel, Caulker and Cornelius Hull were able to buy (or loan) Huddlestone, Livermore, Figeuroa, Curtis Davies, Elmohamady, Mcgregor, Long and Jelavic and still have change. Neither of the promotion winning squads were good enough but Hull totally overhauled theirs whereas we didnt.

Hull bought well, not denying that, but send them out unmotivated and disorganised and you'd have the same results and performances that we put in.

[Llanedeyrnblue]

Yeah, I always thought he had the WWII flying ace look about him, too. It was the leather flying jacket, the goggles he wore and pipe he smoked a la Bader. On top of that, he always turned up on match days, either flying a Spitfire or Hurricane.

Nice avatar, you have too. Grace Slick, one of the greatest female vocalists in the rock cannon. Looked damn sexy in her prime, as well

You forgot to mention the fact that Bader had Two artificial legs

[CCFC CASUAL]

Hull bought well, not denying that, but send them out unmotivated and disorganised and you'd have the same results and performances that we put in.

Malkys side was organised and motivated?!?!? Just not enough quality because he bought poorly IMO.

Listen we are not going to agree it's a winless argument as our opinions are clearly different. It's like two bald blokes fighting over a comb so let's just agree to disagree.

[Loramski]

I'd completely forgotten I'd seen Cornelius score till something in this thread jogged my memory. It was in a DVP game in January 2014, he played the whole game and scored in the last minute having missed a couple of good chances just before that. His attitude was spot on and he deserved his goal but it was more like watching a non-league player on trial desperately trying to impress rather than a £9m player looking for match fitness. Certainly not the worst player I've seen but I never felt like I was watching the next Velikonja.

[lardy]

Malkys side was organised and motivated?!?!? Just not enough quality because he bought poorly IMO.

Listen we are not going to agree it's a winless argument as our opinions are clearly different. It's like two bald blokes fighting over a comb so let's just agree to disagree.

No, those were the two best qualities of Malky's side. But motivation dropped around the time of the Tan bonus thing and organisation completely disappeared with ole.

We can agree to disagree as I really don't think our quality was particularly lower than the other sides in the scrap.

[NYCBlue]

In isolation, it does look dodgy. But should you ever look at a list of the, say, top 100 most expensive transfers made each season, you'd be surprised how many are useless.

Chances are, rather than Mackay pocketing a wadge, it was just a shit transfer that everyone involved regrets.

It doesn't look dodgy at all. Like you say, it was a mistake. Probably made in desperation. Doesn't anyone remember the list of players we were liked with that summer that signed elsewhere?

[Baloo]

Yes crawled over the line. We won 3 of our final 13 games. Every time we slipped up we never got put under any pressure. Compared to the last two championship seasons where theres been 3 or 4 teams putting real pressure on each other in the running then we crawled over the line.

That 8 point gap was largely thanks to the work done in the first half of the season especially at home.

And we are going to have to agree to disagree on the Prem season, wether Huddlestone is as good as Medel as individual isnt the point. What we spent on Medel, Caulker and Cornelius Hull were able to buy (or loan) Huddlestone, Livermore, Figeuroa, Curtis Davies, Elmohamady, Mcgregor, Long and Jelavic and still have change. Neither of the promotion winning squads were good enough but Hull totally overhauled theirs whereas we didnt.

Or alternatively, we lost just 1 of our final 12. We were also promoted with 3 games still to go so perhaps not too surprising if the the foot came of the gas a bir in the finals stretch.

[CCFC CASUAL]

It doesn't look dodgy at all. Like you say, it was a mistake. Probably made in desperation. Doesn't anyone remember the list of players we were liked with that summer that signed elsewhere?

He signed on June 27th so sorry but desperation cannot be blamed on that one.

[thehumblegringo]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...t-players.html


It was articles like this that made the fee that we paid for Cornelius sound dodgy.

People in football talk and they know the value of players.
To value a player 24 times higher than another club is just ridiculous in my opinion.

On another note, I know that Jamie Vardy came down to the CCS to meet Mackay and look around the stadium etc before signing for Leicester. The one that got away eh!

[life on mars]

Cornelius must have departed with a very healthy bank balance to console him.

Others maybe,as well