Reply With QuoteI don't think any one disputes the dirty fecker is a creep in the way he snuck inOriginally Posted by Bluebird since 1948
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Hear hear pal, hear ****ing hear.
I have shagged more girls whilst drunk than I have sober, I suspect that will be the same for many. Being pissed isn't the problem it's the way he blagged his way into the room and joined in. I'm glad hes attempting to clear his name and I wouldn't use the term rapist as such but he made a major error of judgement that night.
I don't think any one disputes the dirty fecker is a creep in the way he snuck in
Well Trublue seems to be suggesting that sleeping with girls when your both pissed is the same as sneaking into a room whilst your mate is drilling and joining in on the sly.
The fact you can't separate the two says more about you than me pal.
You know if someone is too drunk, that girl couldn't stand up in a kebab shop ffs I have more respect to myself and more respect for women than to sleep with her in that situation let alone sneak into a hotel room while my mate is shagging her as my brother watches on through the window.
People can see what they want as disgusting, I quite like licking girls arse holes so they'd probably find that disgusting as wellbut there's a difference between people finding sexual things disgusting and people finding moral things disgusting.
There's nothing wrong with sleeping with someone when they're drunk, there's nothing wrong with threesomes, there's nothing wrong with enjoying someone watch you have sex, there's nothing wrong with enjoying watching people have sex. I'm no prude but there's a lot wrong with what Ched Evans did. Was it illegal? Was it rape? Maybe, maybe not but from a decent human being standpoint it was pretty unsavoury to say the least.
Jesus christ you honestly have problems if you can't see the difference between the two situations.
How would you feel if a female family member went home a with someone they'd met whilst drinking and slept with them, I'd honestly have no problem even if they were a bit hammered. It wouldn't be nice but this happens all the time.
How would you feel if this was happening and 2 idiots were looking through the window giggling like a pair of 5 year olds?
How would you feel if someone let themselves into a locked room and joined in with this couple, when she could hardly stand not long before?
Last edited by Croesy Blue; 10-10-16 at 21:37.
not in the slightest it is good fun.
TruBlue took one up the stinker in a terrible misunderstanding. He's never fully recovered from it.
So you are admitting it's OK if they "were a bit hammered" as it happens all the time, but who decides what level of "a bit hammered" is too much? I did ask earlier but maybe you could try and answer, but when does the responsibility pass from the drinker to the other person?
When they are "a bit hammered" or some other drinking milestone?
I'm not sure about you but I'd probably not ask a family member about it so it's difficult for me to answer.How would you feel if this was happening and 2 idiots were looking through the window giggling like a pair of 5 year olds?
How would you feel if someone let themselves into a locked room and joined in with this couple, when she could hardly stand not long before?
I'll put your misunderstanding my post down to age.
You asked - "In what way is it different?".
No misunderstanding here.
Shagging drunk girls puts you at risk.
Course it does but there is a massive difference between sleeping with a girl after meeting her on a night out to breaking into a room where your friend is sleeping with a girl and just joining in.
She remembers consenting to shagging Macdonald, what she didn't remember doing was consenting for his oddball friend to to enter the fray. He took advantage of her, if she had consented then surely Mcdonald will have told the courts this? Surely he would have been aware consent was given?
Lets wait for the "new evidence" to surface because at the moment he is looking like a right creep.
Again let's put it down to age, but she didn't remember consenting to having sex with Macdonald.
Both of you can actually be very drunk and consent as she did with the other guy
So why isn't he in prison then numbnuts?
You are coming across as a right nonce apologist.
You are aware Clayton Macdonald stood trial for rape aren't you?
If she remembered consenting to him he wouldn't have had a trial.
Although she doesn't remember that either? If she did he wouldn't have been put on trial.
This is what is odd about this case she couldn't even remember MacDonald and he said she had consented to have sex with chedit's all very strange then this she could barely walk stuff is another one when she bent down to pick up the pizza box from the floor in high heels does not suggest to me someone struggling to stand on her own two feet. I don't think anyone should question is ched a dirty ducking perv because he is but personally I don't think he's a rapist I think she could see an easy target to make some serious money but only my personal opinion
lets look at the facts that we might agree on
he was pissed
He sneaked into the hotel room and in ched's words " "Just being childish...to see what they were doing", i guess in his pissed up mind it would have been a laugh to burst into the room with Clayton doing the deed
this is slightly backed up by his brother and a friend were watching through the window
of course he lied to get the key, it wouldnt be the same if he had asked the porter to " phone the room and ask my mate if i can burst in on him "
From the Twitter feed : CLayton stopped having sex with Evans' alleged victim and shut the curtains.. the woman asked Evans to perform oral sex on her
so Clayton got up and shut the curtains to stop the 2 others perving in
at no point did i call him a normal bloke
so this girl who was unable to stand, she was walking about in high heels though, was able to consent to clayton ? ? ? No ? ?? she cannot remember anything
You line about "we are footballers and we can get whoever we want", you cannot be naive enough to not think young famous-ish footballers dont swagger about thinking that all the time, he certainly will not be the only one
does she ? ? ?
you had better go and check that out
People keep saying about bending down to pick up the pizza box but not mentioning there's a video of her stumbling about and falling over in the kebab shop
He's probably going to call you a "nonce apologist" now.
the video in the Prem inn foyer does not show someone who cannot stand up though
I believe the taxi has said that she was drunk, but not out of it
he will die in jail. whole life sentence for this no question.
Yes she does but by the time she gets to the hotel she doesn't look like someone who is pissed out of their mind maybe she done a line of coke in between it was proven that she had coke in her system but she allegedly claimed it was from a few days before
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