Originally Posted by
Bluebird since 1948
So no quotes from me about not wanting Wales to have a say in Brexit negotiations? Great. Also I notice you haven't listed Edinburgh among the places you don't care about? Any reason why? I care deeply about the people of London, Belfast and Edinburgh who are being dragged out of the EU against their will and would be raging if it was the other way round but that's democracy and they have to make best of it.
There was no reason. Thought it best not to list every city in the UK. Also, me asking for a reason why Wales shouldn't get a say in brexit negs doesn't mean you've said it. Otherwise, why would I ask?
Carwyns got a very difficult position because he hates the fact that the good people of Wales voted to leave. You still haven't outlined what he's done wrong thus far or given examples as to how Wales have been ignored. When Wales voted to leave we were under no illusions that that meant leaving the single market, Carwyn needs to get his head around that one.
Examples of Wales being ignored? How long have you got? I can't remember a time where our needs were met. Eg every single devolution bill since 1999, the current Wales bill ignoring nearly everything the silk commission recommended, Wales getting 0% Barnett consequentials from HS2...... I could go on, but I feel you get the point.
Let's talk ambition for a second though because I believe our leaders in Wales are missing a trick. Ambition for me would be to embrace Brexit. So we have a 1.5bn trade surplus with Europe at the moment? Let's double it. Brexit to me is a new chapter in Wales' story and every knew chapter represents a fantastic opportunity to reinvent ourselves and turn our fortunes around.
Well yeah, that's obviously great to say. But what's the plan? Out of single market means we'll probably lose a high percentage of that due to loss of trade. It's all well and good saying let's double it, but in reality, you're going to lose a lot (at least in the short term) for little potential gain.
Stop talking Brexit down and make the most of it.