so..?
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Who voted against triggering Article 50 before April 2017
Tonight.
Tory (1)
Ken Clarke
Labour (23)
Rushanara Ali
Graham Allen
Ben Bradshaw
Ann Coffey
Neil Coyle
Stella Creasy
Geraint Davies
Jim Dowd
Louise Ellman
Chris Evans
Paul Farrelly
Mike Gapes
Helen Hayes
Meg Hillier
Peter Kyle
David Lammy
Chris Leslie
Ian Murray
Barry Sheerman
Tulip Siddiq
Angela Smith
Catherine West
Daniel Zeichner
Lib Dems (5)
Alistair Carmichael
Nick Clegg
Tim Farron
Sarah Olney
Mark Williams
Green Party (1)
Caroline Lucas
SDLP (3)
Mark Durkan
Alasdair McDonnell
Margaret Ritchie
Independent (2)
Natalie McGarry
Michelle Thomson
Plaid Cymru (3)
Jonathan Edwards
Liz Saville Roberts
Hywel Williams
SNP (51)
Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh
Hannah Bardell
Mhairi Black
Ian Blackford
Kirsty Blackman
Philip Boswell
Deidre Brock
Alan Brown
Lisa Cameron
Douglas Chapman
Joanna Cherry
Ronnie Cowan
Angela Crawley
Martyn Day
Martin Docherty-Hughes
Stuart Blair Donaldson
Marion Fellows
Margaret Ferrier
Stephen Gethins
Patricia Gibson
Patrick Grady
Peter Grant
Neil Gray
Drew Hendry
Stewart Hosie
George Kerevan
Calum Kerr
Chris Law
Angus MacNeil
John Mc Nally
Callum McCaig
Stuart McDonald
Anne McLaughlin
Carol Monaghan
Paul Monaghan
Roger Mullin
Gavin Newlands
John Nicolson
Brendan O'Hara
Kirsten Oswald
Steven Paterson
Angus Robertson
Alex Salmond
Tommy Sheppard
Chris Stephens
Alison Thewliss
Mike Weir
Eilidh Whiteford
Philippa Whitford
Corri Wilson
Pete Wishart
so..?
Finally, we can put names to the "Liberal elite" establishment that has really been running this country, and much of the world, for the last few decades.
All those MPs who voted in constituencies where the people voted for Brexit should be de-selected
Well spotted Bob
Ken Clarke - trustee of Bilderburg funding group.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...ing-group.html
Plaid Cymru have some gall don't they. Imagine if Wales voted to stay, imagine if English MPs, bankers, judges and millionaire lawyers were attempting to subvert the will of the people of Wales and try and try and get us out of the EU. Imagine just how much anger and crying they'd be doing in that scenario.
Party of Wales my arse.
Why have people reacted to this vote as if it was the (future) vote on the Article 50 legislation? It isn't.
There are any number of reasons why MPs might vote against a Labour motion demanding that the government publishes its Brexit plan, amended by the government to endorse the government headline timetable of triggering Article 50 by the end of March 2017.
Some may not want the Brexit plan published (although unlikely as only Clarke from the Tories voted against) but others (Ben Bradshaw is one and I think Plaid and the SNP) wanted a government white paper on the Brexit plan and thought the Labour motion was not demanding enough. Others think it is a mistake to trigger Article 50 in March because they think nothing will happen until after the German elections and the government will have started the clock too soon and wasted limited negotiating time.
It says very little about the eventual legislative vote. It certainly doesn't mean there are 89 MPs who don't accept the referendum outcome.
Last edited by jon1959; 08-12-16 at 17:07.
I do wonder the reason for Labours motion that the government publishes its Brexit plan
surely that is like going into a card game sitting down and having a mirror behind you so all the other players can see your hand ? ? ? anyone would think Labour want them to mess this up
The government doesn't need any help to mess it up. They can do that all by themselves.
Also there is a world of difference between explaining the key strategic objectives in public and holding back the detailed plans for trying to agree a deal with the EU on the concessions the UK government wants.
Do you have a problem with this check list (for the government Brexit Plan) put forward by Keir Starmer and accepted by Theresa may and David Davis:
- Does it answers key questions such as whether the UK will seek to remain within the customs union and the EU single market?
- Does it give enough detail for MPs, including on the Brexit select committee chaired by Hilary Benn, to scrutinise the government’s approach?
- Does it provide enough information for the independent Office for Budget Responsibility to make detailed economic forecasts?
- Will it address the concerns of the devolved administrations in Scotland and Wales?
- Does it “have enough detail to build genuine consensus”?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ger-article-50
After all the contradictions and off-the-cuff policy making from Davis and Johnson in recent weeks, being forced to agree and publish a strategic plan for Brexit may be the most helpful thing to happen to the government. Getting clarity on the customs union and single market would be massive - at the moment the government is doing the full Vicky Pollard. Whichever way they jump isn't going to hand any advantage to EU negotiators - just spell out the boundaries as early as possible.
Last edited by jon1959; 08-12-16 at 22:21.
Maybe this is why?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7136196.html