Dave Moans sacked by Hartlepool

[Kris]

And once again your bias towards Jones clouds your thoughts in debating this with me. Same old story from years ago. Pity you won't confirm your previous identity.

Please confirm the following:

I am not entirely blaming Jones for the position Hartlepool are in.

I have stated that Hartlepool have been struggling in League 2 for a few seasons now.

I have stated that Jones has had the thankless task of being in charge of a sinking ship.

I have said that I don't think sacking him will make any difference to Hartlepool staying up.

What I have suggested is:

Results have got marginally worse under Jones overall. Sorry if you're being sensitive to this, but that is fact. We both agree that there are many things causing this.

However, my point remains that the club probably think that things can't get any worse, that relegation is a foregone conclusion, so trying something else for the last 2 games isn't a gamble.

You can raise your blood pressure by suggesting that I'm continuing some anti-Jones tirade, but far from it. I was one of the few that thought it was time for Ranieri to go at Leicester, for similar reasons. If the club feel that changing manager doesn't represent a gamble, then the club should do it. Whether that's right or not is up to you - different people have different opinions.

I suspect you're still bitter from our debates from years ago, which I was eventually proved right on.

What are you on about? It appears that many people disagreed with you over Jones, so I may be one of those.

You were eventually proven right on Jones? You were on his back for 3 years during which he managed what only Fred Stewart had previously achieved, a major Cup Final.

The club were always competitive during his time. Like Mackay, he had to build a team from scratch, and 2006-2011 saw the club improve year on year. 2010-11 was his last season, he knew it and he made short term decisions that season that he deserves criticism for.

Did he fail at Cardiff? Yes, eventually he did. But who hasn't?

Mackay - relegated
Jones - not promoted
Lawrence - promoted but struggled
Burrows - relegated
May - relegated after promotion
Scoular - never promoted

For any Cardiff manager of the last 70 years you could have claimed "he hasn't a clue" and eventually you'd be right. A stopped clock is right twice a day, you are right once a decade.

I have no Jones bias - I chanted for him to be sacked after the 0-3 with Charlton. you have an anti Jones agenda, credit to you for persistence.

But, FA Cup final, Loovens, Johnson, Marshall, Whittingham, Chopra, Bothroyd, Scimica, McPhail, Jerome, Ramsey, Ledley, Koumas.My memory is crap, but even I can remember some of the names.

2005-06
13th 64 points Chopra 22 goals
2007-08
12th 64 points FA Cup Finalists
7th 74 points McCormack 21 goals
4th 76 points
4th 80 points

Throughout the majority of this time, you claimed he was not very good. Based on flimsy stats over arbitrary lengths of time. Stats like Cardiffs record from coming from behind, or not doing so well in November.

2010-11 was the right time for him to go. If you had your way, he'd have gone in 2007.


Year on year Jones improved either the league position or the points tally of both. Whilst selling players. You similarly claimed that Ridsdale was responsible for signing Loovens and Chopra. Didn't you?