Rainbow Laces

[dembethewarrior]

I think about 90% of the uk is white, I know in my industry it's around that. Would be shocked if its different in many sectors but I can't find anything on the ONS about it.

Sounds about right.

[Croesy Blue]

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so maybe the idea of quotas are the problem crosey
because they can be exploited mate

There needs to be a balance I agree, all I want is everyone to get a fair chance in life and I think we've gone in the right direction.

For me education is just as big a barrier, I've not worked with many other working class people nor was I in university with many. The standard of free education in this country is one of the biggest barriers to fairness.

[I.8.POLITICAL.CORRECTNESS]

Hmmmm what about if you are " gender neutral "

seriously though, back in the old days we know that we used to discriminate against ethnic minorities, we appear to have gone full circle now

best person for the job is the way it should be, the more people who challenge the situation we are in now, the quicker the balance will readdress itself, if we pander to the situation it will only get worse

gender neutral
are they the ones who you don't distinguish themselves as a man or a woman ?
or are the ones who
today they want or fee like a man and tomorrow they may feel like a woman ?
ok I'm being facetious
society has been pandering for a long long time now mate

[I.8.POLITICAL.CORRECTNESS]

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There needs to be a balance I agree, all I want is everyone to get a fair chance in life and I think we've gone in the right direction.

For me education is just as big a barrier, I've not worked with many other working class people nor was I in university with many. The standard of free education in this country is one of the biggest barriers to fairness.

education is a huge barrier mate
I did make a point earlier on the thread that's I think its may be more a class issue than a race or ethnicity
I mean the controller of bbc did not go to a comprehensive school or was brought up on a council estate was he
I am not saying there is anything wrong with that , most of us here was too

[Croesy Blue]

Not just the BBC, the Police are at it aswell

The police could do with a bit of diversity tbf

[adz-a32]

don't you lot have better things to do than moan about PC?

[TH63]

They're not all living on an island together, it's just bars.

I do agree that it shows there is something wrong with society, but I sense that you think it's the opening of gay friendly bars that is the issue, whereas I would say it's the threatening behaviour of some towards gay people.

I don't think you're homophobic but I sense that homosexuality makes you a bit uncomfortable. That's fairly common and I think it's another reason that a gay person might want to 'segregate' themselves from time to time. Not all gay people are the flaming type, most do just want a quiet life which means being more closed about their private life than a straight person would be (how many small talk conversations are "how's the wife", "how's the kids", etc). I wouldn't blame any gay person for wanting an atmosphere where they can let their guard down a little bit.

As an example, I have a female colleague who has adopted kids with her female partner. We were talking about the kids and I said something about her husband and she had to say "well actually...." to correct me. It was clearly awkward for her because she didn't know how I would react and that's the kind of conversation she goes through very regularly. I really don't think it's as simple for gay people as others think it is/should be.

I don’t think of myself as homophonic at all, I admit I don’t like to see two guys kissing, but my point is that if we truly want an integrated society where black/white/gay/straight are absolutely accepted as equals then we should all use the same bars/clubs/restaurants/whatever.
I don’t feel the need to “celebrate” my sexuality, I am what I am. Why can’t gay people be the same? I get that there are bigots out there still, but I believe that the best way to beat the bigots is by integrating into society not setting yourself aside as “different” thereby perpetuating the myth that you’re, well, different.

[rudy gestede]

But you don't mind seeing a guy kissing a woman?

[blue matt]

if we truly want an integrated society where black/white/gay/straight are absolutely accepted as equals then we should all use the same bars/clubs/restaurants/whatever.
I don’t feel the need to “celebrate” my sexuality, I am what I am. Why can’t gay people be the same? I get that there are bigots out there still, but I believe that the best way to beat the bigots is by integrating into society not setting yourself aside as “different” thereby perpetuating the myth that you’re, well, different.

A point well made

In todays society, not many care if you are gay or straight, it doesnt matter
The youngsters really do not see it, it truly is a non-event, yes the gays still do the pride thing, still segregate themselves in bars / clubs, it must be time for all that to stop now and move on, no-one really cares

[Vimto]

Thank **** for that. We might have something that slightly resembles a football forum without all the shit "look at me,me,me" threads you start.

Flouncing because people dont agree with you.

Shut the door on your way out you drama queen.

I responded to this 'robustly' earlier as it is out of order.
'Oddly', while this ^^ pile of insult remains, my response was just removed?
Familiar practice of late.

Why and by whom?

Please do NOT delete this post - how about answer please 'Moderator'.

[dembethewarrior]

But you don't mind seeing a guy kissing a woman?

Was in Sainsbury's before work tonight. Man and a woman kissing with him lifting her off the floor etc as I went up the escalators...I'm not a fan of that either personally.
Told many a person in the pub I worked at to "put eachother down" as nobody wanted to see it. Keep it for the bedroom..

[Vimto]

A point well made

In todays society, not many care if you are gay or straight, it doesnt matter
The youngsters really do not see it, it truly is a non-event, yes the gays still do the pride thing, still segregate themselves in bars / clubs, it must be time for all that to stop now and move on, no-one really cares

Oh look who is about...

[rudy gestede]

A point well made

In todays society, not many care if you are gay or straight, it doesnt matter
The youngsters really do not see it, it truly is a non-event, yes the gays still do the pride thing, still segregate themselves in bars / clubs, it must be time for all that to stop now and move on, no-one really cares

Do you think gay people probably know more about it that you do? Gay people are still attacked and abused and discriminated against.

It's better than it was 10 years ago but it's no where near as idyllic as you paint it.

[Baloo]

I don’t feel the need to “celebrate” my sexuality,

This would be fun to watch though imo.

[I.8.POLITICAL.CORRECTNESS]

Do you think gay people probably know more about it that you do? Gay people are still attacked and abused and discriminated against.

It's better than it was 10 years ago but it's no where near as idyllic as you paint it.

aww mate that must of been terrible for you
there are always a minority who will attack anyone for being different
but as you say you find it better than it was 10 years ago

[blue matt]

Oh look who is about...

i have been on and off here all day, did you worry I was ill or something ? ? ?

[rudy gestede]

aww mate that must of been terrible for you
there are always a minority who will attack anyone for being different
but as you say you find it better than it was 10 years ago

Are you trying to use being gay as an insult here? The state of the board these days, have we had the run off from **** or something?

[I.8.POLITICAL.CORRECTNESS]

Are you trying to use being gay as an insult here? The state of the board these days, have we had the run off from **** or something?

dear me , no
calm down love you were saying how no one would know how a gay person feels and how they have abuse
but its not as a bad as it was 10 years ago . now I wasn't for one moment trying to insult you or belittle you
I misunderstood what you was saying

because I don't know how anyone feels so I cant speak for others
I was trying to be sympathetic towards you

[Croesy Blue]

dear me , no
calm down love you were saying how no one would know how a gay person feels and how they have abuse
but its not as a bad as it was 10 years ago . now I wasn't for one moment trying to insult you or belittle you
I misunderstood what you was saying

because I don't know how anyone feels so I cant speak for others
I was trying to be sympathetic towards you

Bloody hell when you think you've seen it all on here, this board is definitely getting more backwards.

[rudy gestede]

dear me , no
calm down love you were saying how no one would know how a gay person feels and how they have abuse
but its not as a bad as it was 10 years ago . now I wasn't for one moment trying to insult you or belittle you
I misunderstood what you was saying

because I don't know how anyone feels so I cant speak for others
I was trying to be sympathetic towards you

You are one weird ****

[Vimto]

i have been on and off here all day, did you worry I was ill or something ? ? ?

No, I didnt miss you, I was asking - in the post above it - if you have been 'moderating ' in favour of those you favour, and against those who you don't.?
Have you been doing that Matt? It's happening regularly now. People (that's plural) are noticing.
If not you, then - who is doing it. Someone is doing it? Any ideas?

[blue matt]

No, I didnt miss you, I was asking - in the post above it - if you have been 'moderating ' in favour of those you favour, and against those who you don't.?
Have you been doing that Matt? It's happening regularly now. People (that's plural) are noticing.
If not you, then - who is doing it. Someone is doing it? Any ideas?

While i really do not need to answer you, if it stops you whining, here you go

I have edited Henry hill's post ( the one you quoted ) I edited out the OTT abuse in it ( i guess you didnt see that )
I have deleted 4 posts in this thread, the thread was going well, it was a fairly good discussion with both sides not resulting to the OTT abuse, one being rudy, he then posted it again in a less abusive way, thus it stayed

I have said it before, if you have a issue with my moderating, PM me, a few have, i explain what i have edited and thats it, if that doesnt suit you, PM Mike about it,

[lardy]

I don’t think of myself as homophonic at all, I admit I don’t like to see two guys kissing, but my point is that if we truly want an integrated society where black/white/gay/straight are absolutely accepted as equals then we should all use the same bars/clubs/restaurants/whatever.
I don’t feel the need to “celebrate” my sexuality, I am what I am. Why can’t gay people be the same? I get that there are bigots out there still, but I believe that the best way to beat the bigots is by integrating into society not setting yourself aside as “different” thereby perpetuating the myth that you’re, well, different.

On one hand you don't want to see men kissing but you're also against gay people voluntarily going to places where they can spare you watching?

What you actually want is for gay people to not make any public reference to their sexuality because it makes you uncomfortable, and this is why we don't have the equal and fair society you want. That's not accepting them as equals.

[adz-a32]

dear me , no
calm down love you were saying how no one would know how a gay person feels and how they have abuse
but its not as a bad as it was 10 years ago . now I wasn't for one moment trying to insult you or belittle you
I misunderstood what you was saying

because I don't know how anyone feels so I cant speak for others
I was trying to be sympathetic towards you

SMFH

[Vimto]

While i really do not need to answer you, if it stops you whining, here you go

I have edited Henry hill's post ( the one you quoted ) I edited out the OTT abuse in it ( i guess you didnt see that )
I have deleted 4 posts in this thread, the thread was going well, it was a fairly good discussion with both sides not resulting to the OTT abuse, one being rudy, he then posted it again in a less abusive way, thus it stayed

I have said it before, if you have a issue with my moderating, PM me, a few have, i explain what i have edited and thats it, if that doesnt suit you, PM Mike about it,

"whining" .. "dont need to answer"
feck me ..

I will do as you suggest.
I hope you continue to try to remain even handed.

I'll tell you what though - I will not simply "PM you" - If something needs saying 'out in the open' I will.
Even now, it is abundantly clear that you are happy to take the time to edity-wedity some peoples posts ( - bless - who we can assume somehow resonates with your own 'sensibilities') whist others (who don't) just get summarily deleted.

That is plainly the case - so what is the point of me, or anyone 'PM'ing' you to point that? What you are apparently doing needs open discussion TBH.
Myself and Lecter did point this out, openly, to Mike last time we both saw it happen.
Not seen Dr Lecter around here recently.