True socialism is the answer

[Vindec]

I have , it's just you don't like the answer

May is losing her grip , the Tory party is falling apart and the majority of the country have had enough of the Tories

She called an election and it backfired , she is propped up by a bunch of religious zealots and labour will be ready

You take care now

I know I said I wouldn't come back to you the fact you incorrectly state you have answered my question on borrowing has prompted me to come back.

This is the point you didn't answer:

"How much do you think a Labour government would have to borrow to fund the cancellation of PFI projects, cancellation of student debt, free tuition fees, rail privatisation, increased public sector pay etc etc. Probably around an additional £700bn. And you blame the Tories for excessive borrowing. Are you having a laugh?"

[Feedback]

So you are happy with the fact the Tories came in with the promise of wiping out the deficit in a parliament yet have time and time again put that date back ?

And are borrowing like crazy ?

And the poor and vulnerable are being shafted by continuing austerity

Well I have listened to that side of the arguement and it's not enticing me I am afraid

Sludge

The Tories inherited a deficit of 157bn - more than 10% of gdp. Unless they cut the deficit to nil by slashing public services, the debt was always going to rise.

It is true that they failed to reduce the deficit over their first parliament - something like the economy is far to difficult to forecast. However now that the deficit is nearer 2% of GDP and debt being around 80% of GDP, the aim now has to be to bring the debt down with less focus on the deficit.

[Nick]

If true socialism is the answer you have got to ask yourself what in God's name was the question?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I know I said I wouldn't come back to you the fact you incorrectly state you have answered my question on borrowing has prompted me to come back.

This is the point you didn't answer:

"How much do you think a Labour government would have to borrow to fund the cancellation of PFI projects, cancellation of student debt, free tuition fees, rail privatisation, increased public sector pay etc etc. Probably around an additional £700bn. And you blame the Tories for excessive borrowing. Are you having a laugh?"

We can borrow , all this run on the pound , the markets will crash crap is just that , right wing press hysteria .......the Tories are hypocrites .....saying borrowing is wrong yet borrowing .......it either is or it isn't ........we built the NHS , council housing and public services when we were massively in debt after the second world war , we need to do it again

Andrew Neill is about as impartial as ghengis khan

[Nick]

We can borrow , all this run on the pound , the markets will crash crap is just that , right wing press hysteria .......the Tories are hypocrites .....saying borrowing is wrong yet borrowing .......it either is or it isn't ........we built the NHS , council housing and public services when we were massively in debt after the second world war , we need to do it again

Andrew Neill is about as impartial as ghengis khan

I could have sworn it was John McDonnell himself that said that Labour were preparing for a run on the pound if they ever came to power, rather than the right wing press???

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Sludge

The Tories inherited a deficit of 157bn - more than 10% of gdp. Unless they cut the deficit to nil by slashing public services, the debt was always going to rise.

It is true that they failed to reduce the deficit over their first parliament - something like the economy is far to difficult to forecast. However now that the deficit is nearer 2% of GDP and debt being around 80% of GDP, the aim now has to be to bring the debt down with less focus on the deficit.

They have slashed public services and the debt has risen , we have had seven years of austerity and it hasn't worked , the police , NHS staff etc are nearing the brunt of fiscal conservatism and it isn't working

It's never worked

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

[QUOTE=Nick;4816193]I could have sworn it was John McDonnell himself that said that Labour were preparing for a run on the pound if they ever came to power, rather than the right wing press???[/QUOTE

The right wing Tory controlled media have been shoving this story down gullible people's throats since the conservatives got elected

Daily mail , telegraph , express , times , the sun , sky news , ITN

[Nick]

[QUOTE=SLUDGE FACTORY;4816199]

I could have sworn it was John McDonnell himself that said that Labour were preparing for a run on the pound if they ever came to power, rather than the right wing press???[/QUOTE

The right wing Tory controlled media have been shoving this story down gullible people's throats since the conservatives got elected

Daily mail , telegraph , express , times , the sun , sky news , ITN

It wasn't a story it was a direct quote from McDonnell, your shadow chancellor

[Croesy Blue]

I could have sworn it was John McDonnell himself that said that Labour were preparing for a run on the pound if they ever came to power, rather than the right wing press???

What if there is a run on the pound? What happens if there is this concept of capital flight? I don't think there will be, but you never know, so we've got to scenario plan for that

That's what he said. Why are people too thick to google something before stating it as a fact?

Right wing media spun being prepared for all eventualities as a bad thing and the selfish simpletons such as yourself lapped it up as usual.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

[QUOTE=Nick;4816202]

It wasn't a story it was a direct quote from McDonnell, your shadow chancellor

Oh no it wasn't

[Organ Morgan.]

We can borrow , all this run on the pound , the markets will crash crap is just that , right wing press hysteria .......the Tories are hypocrites .....saying borrowing is wrong yet borrowing .......it either is or it isn't ........we built the NHS , council housing and public services when we were massively in debt after the second world war , we need to do it again

Andrew Neill is about as impartial as ghengis khan

That's true. UK debt to GDP, 1946 - 243%. UK debt to GDP, 2017 - 86%. Those that worship at the altar of austerity pretend not to know.

[Eric Cartman]

All of them which are soundbite politics triyong to falsely appeal to left leaning nieave voters who don't remeber the day week,what i want as a socialist its so much on increasing debt to stupid levels to rationalise industries, but to think of a new way of funding things like the NHS ie a penny on everyone's tax , charge for uncessary GP visits , apply a dentistry type of treatment charges .

Let Universities manage school budgets instead of councils .

Merge councils to save tax payers uncessary duplication of services.

Let the wealthy pay for thier health including prescriptions in Wales.

Bring in more road an congestion tolls to clean up the cities and fund public transport .

Say no to union demands such as the crazy current rail pay award in the south west.

Say no to immigration unless they arrive for a job we can't fill.

Call for a second referendum on Brexit ,that would probaly get them elected .


Just a few ideas ,much better than copying the old chaos politics of the 70''s

I'll try again, which barmy ideas? If you want a new different politics, maybe start by answering the question.

[Eric Cartman]

I always thought Corbyn should have campaigned at the last General Election on a ONE ticket issue - that of a second referendum.

If people wanted out of the EU abstain or vote Tory, want remain then vote Lib Dem or Labour - at least that way i t should deliver a Govt that has a clear mandate to A. Govern the UK and B. Brexit

So we ignore schools, health, police and the rest for a whole term?

[Eric Cartman]

Sludge

The Tories inherited a deficit of 157bn - more than 10% of gdp. Unless they cut the deficit to nil by slashing public services, the debt was always going to rise.

It is true that they failed to reduce the deficit over their first parliament - something like the economy is far to difficult to forecast. However now that the deficit is nearer 2% of GDP and debt being around 80% of GDP, the aim now has to be to bring the debt down with less focus on the deficit.

And for that we rely on economic growth, which is forecast to be practically non-existent.

I know you get this levelled at you a lot but it does feel like they can do no wrong.

[Feedback]

They have slashed public services and the debt has risen , we have had seven years of austerity and it hasn't worked , the police , NHS staff etc are nearing the brunt of fiscal conservatism and it isn't working

It's never worked

The debtvwas always going to rise. I thought everyone knew the debt would carry on rising as long as we had a deficit. Perhaps you can share this new branch of arithmetic where you can have a deficit whilst reducing the debt at the same time?

[Feedback]

That's what he said. Why are people too thick to google something before stating it as a fact?

Right wing media spun being prepared for all eventualities as a bad thing and the selfish simpletons such as yourself lapped it up as usual.

McDonnell was on R4 Today being interviewed when he said it. He definitely said Labour had war games where they planned a run on the pound.

He was being interviewed by Nick Robinson

[Feedback]

That's true. UK debt to GDP, 1946 - 243%. UK debt to GDP, 2017 - 86%. Those that worship at the altar of austerity pretend not to know.

Honestly, the UK had just fought a costly and bloody war. The two are very different circumstances

[Feedback]

And for that we rely on economic growth, which is forecast to be practically non-existent.

I know you get this levelled at you a lot but it does feel like they can do no wrong.

Who? The Tories?

They get plenty wrong. Europe for a start. They also misjudged the proper implementation of universal credit, tax simplification has turned into a dogs dinner.

I don't have much time for the Tories.

[Croesy Blue]

McDonnell was on R4 Today being interviewed when he said it. He definitely said Labour had war games where they planned a run on the pound.

He was being interviewed by Nick Robinson

Funny it hasn't been mentioned on one website or twitter even once today then. Seems pretty unual, anyone would think you were chatting utter bollocks.

[Feedback]

Funny it hasn't been mentioned on one website or twitter even once today then. Seems pretty unual, anyone would think you were chatting utter bollocks.

It was about 3 or 4 weeks ago.

[Feedback]

My bad, it was more like 8 or 9 weeks ago

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b095psnx

[Croesy Blue]

It was about 3 or 4 weeks ago.

Hasn't been mentioned once online since September and you said he was being interviewed today by Nick Robinson in your previous post.

So not only will you swallow any pro Tory rhetoric in the media you'll even invent some to try and get the blue side to win in an argument. Go for a sit down pal.

[Auntie Andy]

Hasn't been mentioned once online since September and you said he was being interviewed today by Nick Robinson in your previous post.

So not only will you swallow any pro Tory rhetoric in the media you'll even invent some to try and get the blue side to win in an argument. Go for a sit down pal.

When someone uses the phrase “my bad” you know they are talking a load of old bollox

[Feedback]

Hasn't been mentioned once online since September and you said he was being interviewed today by Nick Robinson in your previous post.

So not only will you swallow any pro Tory rhetoric in the media you'll even invent some to try and get the blue side to win in an argument. Go for a sit down pal.

Oh FFS he was being interviewed on R4's Today programme. If you listened to R4 (as I do every day) you will know the programme between 6-9am is called 'Today'.

I've even linked to the interview.

For the record, I have not swallowed anything. I am reporting the facts that Nick Robinson interviewed John McDonnell and what was discussed. John McDonnell discussed many things, mainly about Brexit and the car crash this government is overseeing, along with the various 'war games' scenarios (a run on the pound being one of them) that Labour high command had discussed

[Feedback]

When someone uses the phrase “my bad” you know they are talking a load of old bollox

Not really. My bad is a turn of phrase.

I've already linked to the John McDonnell today interview. Try listening to it