The traditional labour voter born and bred in Splott who votes remain will vote Labour👍
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Looks like the EU, the remainers , the Labour party , the Blairites , sweaty Ken Clarke , are all are doing their best to stop Brexit in its tracks , and create an election out of this , clever political stuff really as they could not be accused of going against the will of the people if Labour won and accepted the custom union, free movement , continued association to law justice rulings , you better off staying on those terms surely .
I can't wait for that election to see which way the traditional Labour voters, who voted to leave with UKIP jump this time , such fun ?
The traditional labour voter born and bred in Splott who votes remain will vote Labour👍
Oh how everybody laughed when I said it would end up like this
I honestly dont know , I vote to remain ,was disappointed initially Labour didn't shout that more loudly and lead from the front at the time as it may have swayed it and stopped the UKIP momentum in the labour heartlands , of course we didn't know then they had there own momentum going on and being planned. Only the Blairites were saying stay and they didn't want to be seen with them ,now im not too sure ?
My view has greatly changed since the vote and a clean break hard Brexit if I can use that stupid term ,as I think they do need us and this is an elaborate smokescreen to change a government or a/ and force a second referendum.
I know number of sensible business people want out ,which has me thinking we have taking in so many via free movement,mainly down to the Blair government .
:"" A leading figure in the Leave campaign, Sir James said it was “quite wrong” to call the EU a “single market”, saying companies operating across Europe already face different languages and laws.
The billionaire claimed the EU was “actually a very highly complex and broken up market” and that Britain should instead focus on other fast-growing markets worldwide. ""
Its a case of nobody really knowing what to do, as its a first ,both in UK politics and in Europe ,we were handed this farce by the electorate .
We will get there as its in everyone's best interest both in the UK / Europe , you dont swim in the top 10 best economies in the world without influence
If that is the case, that's a real episode of politics , up there with the house of cards, do you really think they are that clever, I do agree she was lined up and done so to stop the right wing Boris ,Mogg and Gove bandwagon , Cameron obviously didnt want the ""wallpaper man "" gideon , near the job either .
I think the difficulty with the clean break is we have not prepared for it at all in the 11 months since triggering Article 50 because the government has argued that we will negotiate such a great deal that it will be unecessary. It also signed an agreement in December that there would be no hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland which would be required without an agreed trade deal, as would customs infrastructure at all points of entry into into the UK.
If we are to honour that commitment of no hard border then there has to be customs alignment between the UK and the EU and any trade deals we negotiate would have to honour that alignment (otherwise the UK could be used to move goods into the EU that do not meet their standards or pay the relevant tariffs).
If we maintain the formal customs union we forfeit the right to negotiate new trade deals (though we can control immigration in a way that we couldn't if we remained a member of the single market).
Some of the key Brexiteers see the ability to negotiate new trade deals as the real prize for Brexit (Boris Johnson for instance is very relaxed about continued immigration from countries such as India if we negotiate new deals). Others consider it a leap of faith, I have heard it described as the belief that you can cut off your dick because you believe you can grow another one that is a couple of inches longer!
As far as Splott is concerned it may be that the untested option tha Corbyn is selling, a customs union with controlled immigration whilst honouring the Leave vote deals with the core concerns of these Labour voters who may have been focussed more on immigration issues than free trade when they placed their x in the Leave box.
Personally I agree that if all we are left with are fudge solutions because we cannot solve the conundrum of the Irish Border then we should set out clearly what a hard Brexit looks like and put that as a take this or stay in the EU back to the people.
In what way is he ignoring the result? You can leave the EU and remain in the customs union. If the question was "Should the UK leave the Customs Union?" then you'd be correct, but it wasn't.
It was a slight majority to "Leave" in the referendum and for some reason people think this means we have to pursue the most extreme form of Brexit we can. That's ridiculous.
Pity then that the chief Euro septic Boris Johnson’s arse went when his pall Gove told him he’s a ****
Which was probably the only time I would agree with that fish lipped arsehole