Originally Posted by
ninianclark
Eric - we all know what happened - when it came to it, Boris,Gove did a runner, Ledsome soon realised she was a non starter etc.
I wish (really wish) that both conservatives and Labour could come to an agreement and get on with it. To me, it seems Labour will oppose everything just for the sake of opposing it, conservatives say A - Labour will demand B - just for the sake of it - (conservatives would probably do the same)
The reality of it is Corbyn is a brexiter (voted against it from the start back in 74) , McDonell is also the same. The majority of Labour seem to be remain - even though their constituents voted out in large numbers (apart from London and Scotland). You have similar issues with the conservatives. Which is why Brexit shouldnt be about Lab or Con and each side shouldnt be looking to score stupid points just for the sake of it, Lords included.
The vote was out, some appear to have trouble handling democracy (thats for another debate)
When May called that election last year - that was Labours chance to make it a general election referendum, Corbyn should have said vote Labour and we'll have a second referendum immediately, or at least said something which gave Remainers the chance to force issues post that GE. But he didnt - that was a mistake in my book, he would have had at least 48% of the vote and maybe more if people had changed their minds in the interim.
The end result as I think it will pan out. We wont be in 'the' customs union, probably 'a' customs union which allows for certain areas. Hopefully basic economics will push aside Junkcer and the rest of the mafia racket. They want to sell us 'stuff', we want to buy 'stuff' from them. If the EU block car sales, cheese, wine etc then good luck telling the French farmers they are going to lose money - as we import from non EU countries without having EU tariffs applied - cheaper food - amen to that.
I think if you asked Farage, Rees Mogg, and any other Out politician - they would happily deliver their 'vision' on what was voted for - which was Leave the EU (and everything else attached to it) , if you want to re-attach certain aspects - then that is the negotiation, which is happening now . Both sides have bartering points.
More questions than answers, but was it ever going to any different ?