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Accuses us of links with Warnock's son and proceeds to list 3 players signed before Neil arrived, nice one Martin
You make a case for a relationship between Warnock and McKay, but I specifically said City because I fail to see how any sort of case against Messrs Tan, Dalman and Choo could be made on the basis of some sort of deal whereby Leeds cancel Bamba's contract with the object of letting us have him as part of deal concocted between Neil Warnock and the hierarchy at City at a time when Trollope had only been in charge for three or four matches.
Before the event, the questions are:
How much am I paying and what am I getting?
What are the terms and how does this affect the cash flow?
Is any of this cash going anywhere the could turn out to be embarrassing?
Have we complied with all relevant legislation - money laundering, Bribery Act?
The detail goes up a notch when you are asking the insurers to foot the bill.
You are right about the Jack McKay bit as it is worded now. However, I'm fairly confident the Mail Online has changed the way that para was originally punctuated to change its meaning. I made the mistake of commenting below the line - after reading that bit very carefully - and all the online press (WOL especially) use the moderating delay to correct cockups, errors and idiocies pointed out by readers.
Bottom line for me is that Samuel is partly right and makes some valid points, but has gone OTT with some sloppy claims and his own agenda (aimed more at Warnock than Cardiff). There will be more of this kind of stuff before it becomes chip paper.
Firstly, it's £15m. It's not peanuts, especially for us. I'm sorry but we've got to look out for number 1, just like Nantes are doing. I don't think anyone could have envisaged that happened but there comes a time when we have to stop paying for him to get private jets every time he wants one. Bruno for example, goes to Heathrow for internationals.
Healey, Morrison and Noone seem odd examples to pick, and this won't exactly be uncommon in football. Look at Wolves, or even Man United's relationship with agents. The Bamba part is extremely odd, it literally makes no sense. Leeds let him go months before Warnock was even appointed. Also to slap down the club for the way they handled it, is just him trying to get a response. Dragging in Moody and Mackay again just to throw more mud in the hope some of it sticks.
Samuel makes some valid points, and if it was up to me, the McKay's would be out on their arse, but they're not the target. He also says that such acts by McKay are common place etc, so why aren't they the brunt of his criticism? If that's the way football is conducted and the club have to work in that world, they shouldn't be getting too much criticism.
Then again, Samuel has always been a tosser.
It is an inconsistency isn't it. On the one hand, the attitude appears to be "well, we all know what agents are like and it's inevitable that things like this are going to happen" and, on the other, he goes through the club's dealings with a fine toothcomb to the extent that he is talking about three players, who use a company which has Neil Warnock's son on their payroll, that signed for us years before his father became our manager - three players who, to the best of my knowledge, had never played for a club managed by Warnock before he came here. I can see a conflict of interest now that Neil Warnock is our manager, but how does that exist in the period 2012 to 2014 when Morrison, Noone and Healey signed for Cardiff?
Samuel hates Warnock. He raises some good points but there's too much bile and rubbish that dilutes his argument. There are basic errors and extremely tenuous links that just makes it a smear article, rather than having any real merit.
As you say, his attitude of "this is how football works" and then Cardiff use McKay and are therefore bad is just mad. As I've said before, I'd be happy if the McKays had nothing to do with us ever again but if we want to sign players from France that might be difficult, although I can't see it happening in the short term!
Apart from stating at the very outset that a number of things will unravel in due course I have refrained from commenting on this case so far. However, it's not without a certain irony that signing an expensive, marquee centre forward to keep us in the Premier League has again resulted in opening a can of worms regarding agents and all the other parties involved in such transfers. No doubts such activities are ubiquitous in the world of football but they seem to have been particularly highlighted by the two aforementioned events at our club.
Bamba asked to be released from a lucrative contact at Leeds with apparently nowhere else to go. Or perhaps someone had a word in his ear and told him he'd get himself a lovely signing on fee if he made himself a freebie.
Not even sure if there is anything wrong with that.
Why are you posting drivel like this. Talk about conspiracy theories !. Over the last two years it has been stated publicly by Bamba and NW, on a number of occasions, that they knew each other well previously and that when Bamba left Leeds (and NW was out of a job at the time) they spoke and that NW told Bamba to hold fire on signing for anyone because it was very likely that he (NW) would be back employed shortly and that the first thing he would do is bring Bamba on board. Bamba agreed to this because of his respect and like for NW. He had offers from other clubs but turned them down because he knew that NW was a man of his word and wanted to work with him again. The rest is history. Nothing to do with Willie Mckay or any other agent.
He had nowhere else to go if he'd stayed at Leeds, the transfer window had shut the day before. I've already put up a link where Monk explains how it was his call that Bamba left (https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co....monk-1-8114966). Feel free to put up some links of your own that contradict it.
Other people have put articles on this, and as someone who lives in Leeds, their fans weren't exactly sorry to see him go. There is nothing dodgy going on here, Leeds didn't want him. He was out of the side and on decent money, so they paid him up. Warnock told him to wait until he had a job but that's hardly immoral. Samuel has put 2 and 2 together and came up with 5.
I doubt that very much. For one thing I wouldn't have even opened the link had it been about another club.
Whether it is researched and well written or not isn't the point as far as I'm concerned.
Did/do any of us doubt that that football isn't broken and there is mass corruption happening 24/7?
As has been said previously, it seems that this piece is personal, Samuel is getting after Warnock and throw in the fact it is Cardiff City... bonus time.
Samuel is now a shock jock and has been for some time.
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TOBW, you said: "A major flaw in Samuel's argument for me is the way he claims that none of this would be happening if Emiliano Sala were still alive. He brings attention to the Vincent Tan/ Malky Mackay/Iain Moody situation while making particular reference to the Andreas Cornelius transfer, but doesn't our owner's use of the legal system in that case show that there is at least the possibility that City would be acting in exactly the same way if Emiliano was still with us?"
Correct me if I'm wrong (and I might be), but hadn't Cornelius been at the club for a number of months and been proving a disappointment before Tan began questioning his transfer? Also, wasn't his 'legal investigation' into Mackay and Moody far more wide-ranging than the Cornelius transfer alone?