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Vindec, I am not disappointed by the AAIB Interim Report.... I will be disappointed if the Full report isn't a more concise document that covers everything already known & what is still being investigated
AIR ACCIDENTS INVESTIGATION BRANCH BRIEFING NOTE
Information
We investigate civil aircraft accidents and serious incidents in the United Kingdom.
Intent
We improve aviation safety by determining the circumstances and causes of air accidents and serious incidents, and promoting action to prevent reoccurrence.
We are a “stand-alone” branch of the Department for Transport and are completely separate from the Civil Aviation Authority. The Chief Inspector of Air Accidents is responsible directly to the Secretary of State for Transport.
We are responsible for ensuring that the UK complies with its national and international statutory obligations for air accident investigation.
WE DO NOT APPORTION BLAME
OR LIABILITY. I think this is why in the Interim report there is absolutely nothing to incriminate either Henderson or McKay and ,on first reading, they are not implicated at all, the further investigations being made will be looking at the flight organisers with a fine tooth comb. You will notice that the AAIB haven't apportioned blame or liability on the pilot either, but they have stated facts that allow the readers of the interim report to draw their own conclusions
Wales-Bales,
Your personal opinion is an 'educated opinion' I have come to the conclusion that very few on this messageboard have had any education as I am now wondering why I have been 'called out' a few too many times & now everything I have stated or discussed is within the AAIB Interim report that they are all reading.
I will be waiting for the retractions of the calls of speculation from those who claimed I was speculating without any substance.
On this aircraft deicing equipment was installed. Can you confirm if this applies only to carb. deicing? Presumably nothing to do with heating leading edges or similar. Also, could the erratic decrease, increase, decrease in altitude be partly explained by localised downdrafts, updrafts and wind shear associated with with an approaching cold front? Could the aircraft have been battered by hail?
descending at 7,000ft per minute is a reference to vertical speed.
Most GA Aircraft have a VSI gauge that ranges +2000fpm-2000fpm so 7000fpm is not a controlled climb or descent
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Some high performance aircraft ( i.e Aerobatic or hot rod aircraft ) have a VSI gauge that ranges +4000fpm -4000fpm
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Some high performance turbo props & jets have a VSI gauge that ranges +6000fpm -6000fpm ( which is a very steep climb or descent)
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So a 7000 ft per minute descent is a nigh near vertical dive in a Piper PA46 Malibu
7000ft per minute is the same as 80mph in a horizontal distance, but the Malibu would have been doing 180mph in level flight & the report states 7000fpm downward to be in a dive @ 180mph with airspeed increasing on a descent path of 7000ft downward trajectory is a definite vertical dive.
The PA46 Malibu range nearly all have FIKI ( Flight Into Known Icing ) capabilities. I believe N264DB had de-icing boots on the leading edges of the wings & leading edge of tailplane & also the leading edges of the elevator ( highlighted in yellow boxes )
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These are hydraulically inflated to break off Ice build on these surfaces ( if they have a pin hole or leak, they fail to work )
It is not known (by me) if they were serviceable on N264DB or whether the pilot understood the procedure to use them correctly
The engine in the PA46 Malibu is a fuel injected engine so carb icing isn't an issue.
My assumptions on the erratic decrease, increase, decrease in altitude are one of two scenarios:
(1) The pitot head froze up & instruments failed to function correctly, thereby the pilot chasing the needles was fighting to keep what he thought was level flight
(2) He got Spatially disorientated & just simply lost control & was pulling & pushing at the controls trying to regain level flight.
(1). If it is proven that the pilot was paid to conduct a commercial flight whilst being a PPL holder that would open up a potential criminal investigation
(2). If it is proven that the pilot was flying at night whilst being a Daytime only PPL holder that would open up a potential criminal investigation ( I think we have established this as fact ).
(3). If it is proven that Dave Henderson knew the pilot was paid to conduct a commercial flight whilst being a PPL holder that would open up a potential criminal investigation.
(4). If it is proven that Willie McKay knew the pilot was a PPL Holder & was paid to conduct a commercial flight whilst being a PPL holder that would open up a potential criminal investigation.
There are a multitude of reasons that aspects of the fateful flight could if proven that would open up a potential criminal investigation. I think this is a subject best left alone because it an area for lawyers to ponder over.
You would have to prove that there isn't one, as it is only my opinion. However, some agency has been enquiring about the ownership of the plane, and this information has not been released into the public domain, hence my educated guess that a parallel investigation is underway.
Wales-Bales, There is a lot of information that has not been released into the public domain, it hasn't been released into the public domain because giving those who might be legally called upon a 'heads up' on what is being looked at in any investigation isn't the smartest move eh !
The owners of the PA46 Malibu are known to the CAA & FAA and also the AAIB.
An educated person might wonder why the beneficial owners have disappeared from their properties & cannot be found.
An educated person might wonder why Dave Henderson has disappeared from his usual day to day movements.
An educated person might wonder why Willie McKay is chirping like a lark to anyone who will listen to him or print his verbal Diarrhoea.
I am not going to speculate on whether there will be any Criminal investigations, that is in the hands of the legal teams.
My personal ( & I must stress it is a personal view ) opinion is that Willie McKay is a part or full owner of the PA46 Malibu lying at the bottom of the sea but his name won't ever be found on any Aircraft documents. Cool Flourish are just a 'smokescreen' for his flight operations.
Whats your educational background then. You dont have to be very clever to be able to copy other peoples websites on to this forum, which is basically what you have been doing. All you have been doing is trying to make yourself look clever, whilst at the same time pursuing your hatred of Willie Mckay and other such agents. You may have got a bit more sympathy apart from the fact that you were unable to resist the temptation to show your true colours and call us football fans a bunch of uneducated, bigoted, morons. Well, right back at you with that one. Hopefully, now that the report is released, we will be hearing from you a lot less in future.
You would have to prove that there isn't one, as it is only my opinion.
...Is not how it works
dml1954,
My educational background is that I went to Highly regarded schools where I would agree that you don't need to be very clever to get on in the world but you do have to be in the upper echelon to have had the privilege of wasting your inheritance on a set of qualifications that you won't need if the classmates are all from wealthy backgrounds & the 'shoe in' to a job where you do very little because the grockles under you are there to graft to make you look good.
How do you draw yourself to the conclusion that " All I have been doing is trying to make Myself look clever ? "
I am pretty sure I have disclosed relevant information before the AAIB interim report was released that wasn't in any website or rumourmonger sites.
How do you draw yourself to the conclusion that I am pursuing a hatred for Willie Mckay and other such agents ? I don't have a hatred for other such agents, just that c##t McKay. ( That C##t killed your Star player by his 'Wheeling,Dealing ways !! ).
I was never looking for a bit more sympathy from the posters on these messageboards, but I wasn't expecting to be 'called out' on facts that have now become known facts.
An educated person would have quickly realised that I was speaking with authority & to make such bold statements a person can only do that if he is able to back up his claims, I haven't seen any claim I made that has been disproven as yet?
I suggest that you take from that remark that I haven't copied other peoples content ( perhaps some of what you feel I have copied was my content for others to copy? You will never know because you don't deserve my respect seeing as you have shown me zero respect, so run along now & sit with the rest of your carehome residents until matron dispenses your Fentanyl to you.
Now, because that report is released I won't be posting as much because the basics are now in the public domain & the more indepth data would be wasted on the likes of you.
Strangely, you all seem to 'call out' people like me & you have 'called out' on Wales-Bales who coincidentially seems to be better educated than you by a golden mile, so if you hold Wales-Bales in low regard...I hate to think where you fit in on the intelligence spectrum? My assumption calling you an uneducated, bigoted moron was actually an upgrade from your actual status.
Please tell me your educational background so I can see if I summed you up correctly
Ah, I thought that was him being polite He seems a sad soul & I was starting to pity the old git.
I haven't quite got the hang of this messageboard because there are so many threads that have FA to do with Football that I thought it was the 'post it' note wall where any old shite could be posted........trust me, some people do post some real shite.
Lots of if it is proven's there. I don't get how the "fact" that Ibbotson was colour blind does not merit a mention in the report even if we accept that it is not there to apportion blame. I think that you have to accept that your claim of "Having seen a copy of Dave Ibbotson's EASA PPL I know that it clearly states 'DAY ONLY' & that is due to his colourblindness & I know exactly what licence privileges he had." is going to be questioned by some on here in light of what the report says. If this is genuinely not the sort of thing that would be covered in yesterday's report, then doesn't it follow that your credentials will be questioned when you consider that this certainly wasn't the impression you gave before it was published?
Driving home from the Development team game yesterday, I was listening to a review of a Netflix documentary called "Behind the curve". It's about flat earthers and the way that they come back with "prove to me that I'm wrong" when their beliefs are questioned was mentioned in the review - of course, they then go on to rubbish anyone who presents them with the overwhelming evidence that they are, indeed, wrong.
I’m not aware that a crime has been committed/reported. This is usually a pre-requisite for a criminal investigation. The accident is being investigated by the AAIB, but they have no reason to keep back any facts relevant to their report. It is the findings of their investigation that may or may not lead their a criminal investigation.
Well, it looks like the club thinks there will be :
We have grave concerns that questions still remain over the validity of the pilot’s licence and rating to undertake such a journey, as identified in the bulletin.
We are also concerned to discover that the trip involved an aircraft which did not conform to either UK CAA or US FAA requirements for commercial activity and therefore may have been operating unlawfully.