The Donald Trump thread

[Wales-Bales]

Ok I’m convinced now, because Donnie has had a hissy fit on Twitter.....

It's funny, cos now the Dems & the media will have to defend the commies, even though the polls are already against them!

[surge]

Anyone commented on Trump telling four Americans to go back to their country because they were a) people of colour and b) critical of actions carried out in the name of the USA?

The following analysis seems to sum it up quite nicely:

Remember how Mexicans were Rapists and Drug dealers, how there were "good people" on both sides of the argument when white supremacists marched in Charlottesville, and how the President didn't see why America should allow more people in from "shithole" countries in Africa.

(https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48997008)

What sort of world where people vote for a person so happy to use racist language as part of their political strategy? I wouldn't even mind having a Republican President for four more years as long as it's not this faux-Republican, racist, twitter-bot.

[CardiffIrish2]

Anyone commented on Trump telling four Americans to go back to their country because they were a) people of colour and b) critical of actions carried out in the name of the USA?

The following analysis seems to sum it up quite nicely:


(https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48997008)

What sort of world where people vote for a person so happy to use racist language as part of their political strategy? I wouldn't even mind having a Republican President for four more years as long as it's not this faux-Republican, racist, twitter-bot.

He’s got a big base that think he’s some sort of Demigod and no Republican wants to challenge him therefore he feels emboldened.

I personally think he’s a colossal loathsome prick but it’s working for him.....sadly I should say.

[Eric Cartman]

“We all know that AOC and this crowd are a bunch of Communists, they hate Israel, they hate our own Country, they’re calling the guards along our Border (the Border Patrol Agents) Concentration Camp Guards, they accuse people who support Israel as doing it for the Benjamin’s,....

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 15, 2019

Do you agree that Israel are 'victims of the entire region'?

[Wales-Bales]

Do you agree that Israel are 'victims of the entire region'?

Those are Senator Lindsey Graham's words, not President Trump.

[Gofer Blue]

He’s got a big base that think he’s some sort of Demigod and no Republican wants to challenge him therefore he feels emboldened.

I personally think he’s a colossal loathsome prick but it’s working for him.....sadly I should say.

Agree. I can imagine that there a lot of red-necked, "hunt 'em, shoot 'em, hang 'em" xenophobic yanks over there who idolise him because he says what they are already thinking. What a country, what a political system!

[Heisenberg]

Boris f**king Johnson has even condemned Trump about his racist attack on the American Democratic representatives - which side will Wales Bales choose in this argument?

"Mr Johnson said: "If you are the leader of a great, multi-racial, multi-cultural society, you simply cannot use that kind of language about sending people back to where they came from.

"That went out decades and decades ago and thank heavens for that."

then

Mr Johnson said: "I simply can't understand how a leader of that country can come to say it."

Pressed again, he added: "You can take from what I said what I think about President Trump's words."

[life on mars]

Do you agree that Israel are 'victims of the entire region'?

Isreal bashing ( redux) careful there's a left theme developing again ,must all be reading from the same agenda politics.
Say it enough times it will become engrained I guess ?

[life on mars]

tuesday july 16 2019

MELANIE PHILLIPS
july 15 2019, 5:00pm, the times
Trump is playing the Democrats at their own race game
melanie phillips

President’s hostile tweets turned his opponents’ obsession with identity politics against them


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When I was a child, my mother and I were told in a supermarket to “go back where you came from”. This puzzled me greatly. My mother and I were born and bred in London. It was my first experience of anti-Jewish prejudice. The bigotry was unambiguous. Because our assailant perceived we were Jews, she was telling us we didn’t belong in Britain.

Now a storm has erupted in America over tweets by President Trump in which he apparently took aim at four young ethnic minority congresswomen: Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Ayanna Pressley. They are known as The Squad because of the way they operate as a far-left minority caucus.

For months, American politics has been convulsed over Trump’s attempts to stop illegal immigration across the Mexican border. In his tweet, Trump called out unnamed “progressives”, who “originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe”, for “loudly and viciously” telling America how its government should be run. “Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime-infested places from which they came?”

This language was undeniably offensive, unacceptable and — if he was indeed referring to all four women — factually wrong. Only Ilhan Omar, who was born in Somalia, is not native to America. For the other three, who are variously of Palestinian, Puerto Rican and African-American heritage, America is where they were born.

Trump may have been thinking particularly of Omar but tweeted with his customary disregard for detail. Even so, by any normal standards this was dismaying behaviour by a president. But this is not a normal president. He uses offensive language to speak in a kind of code to his supporters, and to set a trap for his foes who fail to understand the code and promptly fall into the snare.


This is precisely what has happened. The Democratic house speaker, Nancy Pelosi, said Trump’s tweet showed he’d always planned on “making America white again”.

No he hadn’t; nor had he been making a point in his tweet about race or colour. For his critics have omitted to note that, after telling these congresswomen to go and sort out their presumed countries of origin, he said: “Then come back and tell us how to do it.”

In other words, his point was about their behaviour, specifically their opposition to his “racist” immigration policy. Clearly, he considers this akin to treachery from politicians who, between them, have taken positions that are anti-American, anti-white and anti-Jewish. What’s more, he knows that millions of Americans will be thinking exactly the same thing.

Thus he further tweeted: “So sad to see the Democrats sticking up for people who speak so badly of our Country . . . Whenever confronted, they call their adversaries, including Nancy Pelosi, ‘RACIST’. Their disgusting language and the many terrible things they say about the United States must not be allowed to go unchallenged.”

Subsequently he doubled down again, asking: “When will the Radical Left Congresswomen apologise to our country . . . for the foul language they have used, and the terrible things they have said.”

It became plain that he was twisting the knife into the writhing body of the Democratic Party. He was using The Squad to ram home that the Democrats have been taken over by extremists. Indeed, for offensiveness it’s hard to beat Ocasio-Cortez, who called the US border detention centres “concentration camps”.

For bigotry, look no further than Omar, who has accused American Jews of dual loyalties and buying political influence in the interests of Israel. For anti-Americanism and playing the race card, there’s the support by Pressley and Tlaib for an article accusing the Declaration of Independence of being “sexist, racist and prejudiced”, not to mention Pressley’s own racially divisive remark that there’s “no need for black faces that don’t want to be a black voice”.

Now racial identity politics is consuming its own. Ocasio-Cortez has accused Nancy Pelosi of “singling out newly elected women of colour” simply because Pelosi finally lost patience with The Squad after they failed to vote last month for her border aid package.

Ocasio-Cortez’s chief of staff, Saikat Chakrabarti, accused Democrats who backed this bill of “being hell-bent to do to black and brown people today what the old Southern Democrats did in the Forties”. Yet he in turn was attacked by the House Democratic caucus over his claim that congresswoman Sharice Davids had voted in ways that “enable a racist system”. Raged the caucus: “Why is he explicitly singling out a Native American woman of colour?”

The Democratic Party is now being boiled alive by the very racial politics it has encouraged.

This is the pot that Trump is now deftly stirring. Every time he is called racist, his poll numbers climb among the millions who decode such attacks on him as un-American treachery by those who want to destroy border controls and thus the very concept of citizenship. The insult is also being used so indiscriminately it has all but lost its meaning as a description of truly evil intent.

Trump is a man who plays the political game by completely different rules. Those who refuse to understand this will lose not just the people’s vote but the moral high ground, too.

[jon1959]

I used to like Melanie Phillips - about 30/35 years ago when she was a fairly radical columnist specialising in education and Thatcher-baiting.

Then she did a complete flip in about 5 years (like Peter Hitchen and similar) and reinvented herself as Daily Mail Woman.

Not surprised you have quoted her latest attack on opponents of Trump. I do agree with her when she says 'Trump is a man who plays the political game by completely different rules' - but apart from that it is the usual bile.

[Wales-Bales]

I used to like Melanie Phillips - about 30/35 years ago when she was a fairly radical columnist specialising in education and Thatcher-baiting.

Then she did a complete flip in about 5 years (like Peter Hitchen and similar) and reinvented herself as Daily Mail Woman.

Not surprised you have quoted her latest attack on opponents of Trump. I do agree with her when she says 'Trump is a man who plays the political game by completely different rules' - but apart from that it is the usual bile.

They are all playing political games, and open borders is the biggest game of the lot.

Phillips was right about the pot though, they fell for that one hook, line & sinker.

[Wales-Bales]

I went to the Aurora ICE facility where deranged leftists took down the U.S flag & raised a Mexican flag in its place

These lunatics called me a white supremacist simply for supporting our flag and our troops. VC: @DC_Draino pic.twitter.com/M284ygkXl7

— Ashley StClair ���� (@stclairashley) July 15, 2019

[the other bob wilson]

I used to like Melanie Phillips - about 30/35 years ago when she was a fairly radical columnist specialising in education and Thatcher-baiting.

Then she did a complete flip in about 5 years (like Peter Hitchen and similar) and reinvented herself as Daily Mail Woman.

Not surprised you have quoted her latest attack on opponents of Trump. I do agree with her when she says 'Trump is a man who plays the political game by completely different rules' - but apart from that it is the usual bile.

Trying to see both sides of the argument, it may be that there are some fair points made as far as American domestic politics is concerned in that article, but, although I disagree with his politics profoundly, it's Trump the man that has always been the main reason why I'm so anti him. He is not fit for Office on personality grounds and, whether he is playing "clever" political games or not, I feel it is both disgraceful and dangerous for an American President to talk like he has done in the past few days.

[Wales-Bales]

Trying to see both sides of the argument, it may be that there are some fair points made as far as American domestic politics is concerned in that article, but, although I disagree with his politics profoundly, it's Trump the man that has always been the main reason why I'm so anti him. He is not fit for Office on personality grounds and, whether he is playing "clever" political games or not, I feel it is both disgraceful and dangerous for an American President to talk like he has done in the past few days.

The 2nd American civil war is already underway, it just hasn't turned hot yet. The two fictional realities are diametrically opposed, and there is no common ground. It's either borders or no borders, sovereignty or a world government.

[RonnieBird]

The 2nd American civil war is already underway, it just hasn't turned hot yet. The two fictional realities are diametrically opposed, and there is no common ground. It's either borders or no borders, sovereignty or a world government.

A battle which has been fought and pretty much lost here already, although the division over Brexit combined with the thwarting of a democratic outcome might possibly re ignite it. Again, there's a risk of it " turning hot" as you put it, because generally and historically when peoples votes are over ruled , that happens .

There's much more risk of a shooting war in the United States of course because the founding fathers foresaw a day when political forces might impose their will over the will of the people and ensured that they'd have the ability to defend the constitution.

[the other bob wilson]

Strange this didn't get a mention on here last night given how keen some have been to post on this thread over the past few years.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4...acist-comments

[Wales-Bales]

Strange this didn't get a mention on here last night given how keen some have been to post on this thread over the past few years.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4...acist-comments

Easy win for Trump in 2020, the American public are not going to vote for a party who have socialist anti-Semitic and pro-al Qaeda members in their ranks.

[jon1959]

Easy win for Trump in 2020, the American public are not going to vote for a party who have socialist anti-Semitic and pro-al Qaeda members in their ranks.

You are doing a fine job of promoting and repeating your boy Trump's regular lies and distortions.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/15/p...eck/index.html

It looks as if he may have lost the 'Chaldeans For Trump' votes though. Betrayed by Trump? Who would have thought it?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...n-conned-trump

[lardy]

I wonder why trump went nuclear with the racist attack on members of Congress? Is there anything going on that might be damaging?

NBC found archived video of Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein partying at Mar-a-Lago with a room full of women. Lordy, there are tapes. pic.twitter.com/BoNWkThOVq

— Christopher Bouzy (@cbouzy) July 17, 2019

[lardy]

Nah, probably nothing.

Many have seen my thread detailing publicly available evidence Trump raped a 13-year-old girl at Jeffrey Epstein’s party in 1994.

But we all need to hear Katie's story in her own words, from 2016.

Listen to her pain. I dare you to watch and tell me she is lying. #IBelieveKatie pic.twitter.com/25yMyGYCvZ

— Ian Madrigal - The Monopoly Man (@iansmadrig) July 9, 2019

[Wales-Bales]

I wonder why trump went nuclear with the racist attack on members of Congress? Is there anything going on that might be damaging?

NBC found archived video of Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein partying at Mar-a-Lago with a room full of women. Lordy, there are tapes.

Wow, he's been caught enjoying a bit a nightlife in the company of beautiful women. That proves he is guilty, lock him up and throw away the key!

[Wales-Bales]

You are doing a fine job of promoting and repeating your boy Trump's regular lies and distortions.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/15/p...eck/index.html

It looks as if he may have lost the 'Chaldeans For Trump' votes though. Betrayed by Trump? Who would have thought it?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...n-conned-trump

CNN & The Guardian .. that explains a lot about you!

[CardiffIrish2]

CNN & The Guardian .. that explains a lot about you!

I’m not saying you’re predictable Wales Bales but to quote a line from the Young ones ‘I’m not saying you’re predictable but there are as yet undiscovered tribes in the heart of South America who knew you were going to say that ‘ 😂

[jon1959]

Wow, he's been caught enjoying a bit a nightlife in the company of beautiful women. That proves he is guilty, lock him up and throw away the key!

In the wake of Epstein’s arrest, Trump was quizzed about his relationship with Epstein. Trump told reporters he “knew [Epstein], like everybody in Palm Beach knew him”. But Trump added: “I had a falling out with him. I haven’t spoken to him in 15 years. I was not a fan of his, that I can tell you.”

However, in a 2002 profile of Epstein from New York magazine, Trump was quoted as saying: “I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...otage-surfaces

Your boy is struggling with the truth again!

[Wales-Bales]

In the wake of Epstein’s arrest, Trump was quizzed about his relationship with Epstein. Trump told reporters he “knew [Epstein], like everybody in Palm Beach knew him”. But Trump added: “I had a falling out with him. I haven’t spoken to him in 15 years. I was not a fan of his, that I can tell you.”

However, in a 2002 profile of Epstein from New York magazine, Trump was quoted as saying: “I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...otage-surfaces

Your boy is struggling with the truth again!

2002 is 19 years ago