No, it's not that dembeth. People have always had a moan - it's just the level of ... Well, spite is the only word I can think of. We always had a laugh and a joke and rode the ups and downs but if anything we were stupidly positive and cheerful through it.

By the way, is Dembeth that little valley which goes down from the Bwlch all the way to Porthcawl ? We used to climb over the mountain and walk down it when I was a kid and it was called - as far as I knew- Dymbeth. Of course we never saw it written down, and I've almost never met anyone who's even heard of it so I had to ask.