Reply With QuoteWhen Owen Jones and Ash Sarkar get regular "pundit" roles I doubt it will either.Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
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DO I think there's accurate reporting? Not generally, no.
Peston is the biggest example I can give. Back in the day, yes some journos wpuld become high profile but they never forgot the story was the main selling point, not them. Everything Peston says, does, is aimed at promoting Peston the brand. Come out with stuff quickly disproven? The apology / retraction receives only a fraction of the publicity / retweets of the original claim.
When the deputy CMO utterly destroys a Peston claim, he immediately turns it to him, how he "was slightly taken aback at the ferocity of the Deputy Chief Medical Officer’s response. My view has always been that we should respect experts but not assume they are always correct. And that matters more than ever when so many lives are at stake."
It's sensationalism.
When Owen Jones and Ash Sarkar get regular "pundit" roles I doubt it will either.
How it that related to what I said?
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The UK government didn't really take any action until March 12th/13th and from then on increasingly ramped up firstly weekly and then day-by-day to where we are now. The rough suggestion being that starting one week earlier could have massively improved our circumstances.a simplistic analysis of the (imperfect and insufficient) data available: With caution, given the uncertainty in diagnosed cases, the epidemic appears to have grown at ~17% per day in the UK (similar to Italy 14 days before) the week before the lockdown, despite the calls for social distancing. This suggests that a lockdown was very important. It also suggests that a lockdown one week earlier could have led to an epidemic ~3 times smaller (likely translating into many thousands fewer deaths and the need for a shorter and less disruptive lockdown).
Cases offer a distorted picture due to limited testing.
https://twitter.com/imartincorena/st...96648040374272
I'm still a bit shocked we waited until we did. My office had shut down a week earlier and had prepared us for home working a week before that. If they could see it why couldn't the government?
I think people are becoming complacent aswell. Be it boredom or stubbornness but I get the impression not everyone is on board yet.
Were still on exactly the same trajectory as Italy 14/15 days behind, all be it Lombardy has taken the brunt of it but look at London.
Its going to get stricter in the next week or so.
I was thinking the roads and streets near me seemed a bit busier today.
Sunday is supposed to be hot, thatll be a test.
Your workplace (with it's supposed contacts in areas that happen to be hotspots for the virus) is hardly unique.
Practically everyone who could work from home was working from home by the Monday before schools closed.
It was very obvious that the schools would close Friday with most parents at home working. So, the UK avoided the Italy and Spain examples of kids being sent to stay with grand parents for a week or 2 before parents were kept at home.
Can you imagine if we'd closed down a week earlier? We'd still be seeing the same figures (because of incubation) and people would now be getting really fed up. We're already seeing it happen now, and we've only been in lockdown 10 days.
So the scientist are just puppets dancing on a string are they.
Hoe do you know that the policy was not being fitted to the science????
Jirga old pal why are you being weirdly aggressive?
Theres been some off the wall shite posted in here for the last month. But how the **** did this make sense in your head?
I was responding to AZ citys post.
He gave no examples where he talked about experts who do give a scooby.( to quote him)
You didn't ask him.
Not puppets dancing but they certainly haven't had all powers of decision making devolved to them, this was always a balancing act between the economic effect (shorter term and longer term) and lives lost given our level of preparedness. The cso or cmo doesn't make those decisions, they are employed by the people who do.
That is my way of explaining why we were out of step with the who and the majority of the world for so long. The only other explanation is that we aren't as good at this stuff as we think.
The right steps at the right time but still leaving us with a lack of testing equipment, a lack of ventilators, lack of PPE but a full Cheltenham Festival and Wales/Scotland 6 Nations only called off on 13th of March and not following UK government advice. These things all take time to obtain but we had warning with first UK case at end of January.The Government script:
Weve taken the right steps at the right time
-Dominic Raab March 30
Weve taken the right steps at the right time
-Matt Hancock April 2
Paul Johnson: https://twitter.com/paul__johnson/st...50443411726336
This is absolute nonsense.
To be fair to him, the bit about incubation is factually correct.Theres been some off the wall shite posted in here for the last month. But how the **** did this make sense in your head?
So you think if we isolated a week earlier we would stil have exactly the same number of overall infections?
Personally, I would say the best advice is to spend less time watching TV news which is sensational and not very good. Personally, I view this Covid outbreak as akin to a bad winter influenza epidemic. In this case we have had 8000 deaths this last year in the at risk groups viz over 65% people with heart disease etc. I do not feel this current Covid will exceed this number. We are suffering from a media epidemic!
It only won't exceed this number because we've all been isolating for 3 weeks already. If we were going about life as normal the deaths would be over 10 times that. That's not sensational, that's a fact.
There's also the pesky detail that we have a flu vaccine and the fact that hospitals don't get overwhelmed by people with flu during flu season.
Come on you cannot be serious saying this at this point.
"I view this as akin to a bad winter influenza epidemic."
Yeah that's why countries have closed the borders and have 90% of the country working from home.
That's why we've had to put hospital beds in the EXcel and the millenium stadium.
That's why Dyson are making vetillators.
Do you really think if it was just a bd flu epidemic this would all be happening?
Save this,this is CCMBs magnum opus of pig headed stubbornness and stupidity.
It's written by Professor John Oxford, who a Google search reveals as an expert on the 1918 flu. Looks like Wales Bales has got some very clever plan up his sleeve.
https://novuscomms.com/2020/03/31/a-...r-john-oxford/
I would agree with you to a certain extent that watching The News a bit to much isn't helpful for some, it's the only thing happening at the moment and i do find that some of the coverage isn't really news, just the media repeating themselves for the sake of it, It is important but saturated to the point where it seems that there must be a competition to see which reporter can do the most concerned expression. I get it, things aren't great at the moment.
It works the other way as well with individuals who think that they know something that everyone else doesn't. There's nothing wrong with people having opinions but there is something wrong when people who have an agenda with biased opinion are using the internet to spread bullshit that the stupid and already converted lap up in spades. I've spent more time on here recently than usual, but it seems that some people are living there life on the internet repeating the same things as they did yesterday, they lose credibility in my opinion, it's not healthy.
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