A challenge to Organ Morgan

[The Lone Gunman]

You advocate for social distancing, the closure of pubs, restaurants and other businesses deemed not essential and restrictions imposed upon citizens' liberties, which includes yours of course. Not unnaturally I presumed you were a true believer in whatever .gov deem necessary as you haven't criticised anything they have done and offer no opinion on masks which appeared to be astonishingly successful in China with just 3.5K deaths from a population of 1.4 billion.

It's a massive leap to presume somebody who is in fact heeding the scientific advice from experts all over the world, is instead listening to Boris and his cast of Tory twats. You've got me mixed up with our friend CCFCC3PO, which is not only unfortunate but it's more insulting than anything I've said to you in recent days.

[CCFCC3PO]

So everybody should automatically be respected?

That should be the default position surely?

[Croesy Blue]

You advocate for social distancing, the closure of pubs, restaurants and other businesses deemed not essential and restrictions imposed upon citizens' liberties, which includes yours of course. Not unnaturally I presumed you were a true believer in whatever .gov deem necessary as you haven't criticised anything they have done and offer no opinion on masks which appeared to be astonishingly successful in China with just 3.5K deaths from a population of 1.4 billion.

I wouldn’t believe figures China put out but they locked down wuhan and implemented social distancing after death “30”.

Even though they’re lying about their numbers they still started the process a lot earlier than we did. As mentioned previously we were told to start measures at the start of February and we didn’t.

I don’t criticise the government’s current measures as they are the only thing stopping a very high number of deaths. I criticise them waiting so long to do something that these totalitarian measures were needed.

[Hilts]

Heading towards the worst hit country in Europe. The so called lockdown probably came too late. Time for more restrictions?

[The Lone Gunman]

You've gone back to being incoherent again. Either that, or you take pride in being a disrespectful person.

Here's an idea for you: stop attempting to engage with me. The truth is I have no interest in you whatsoever. I think you're an utter fool and a really, really boring one at that. This thread wasn't intended for your attention, so why not go and post on a thread where people do want to engage with you? There are plenty of them.

[rudy gestede]

I'd forcibly quarantine those adjudged to be at severest risk if it was a HCID rather than this present route. I read earlier - but haven't researched as yet whether it's accurate - that 95% of UK dead thus far have been those aged over 65.

You said a week ago that you would only quarantine those showing symptoms of the virus. Why the change?

Even with this route the number of infections and people needing hospital treatment would be high enough to have way more people needing hospital treatment than could be treated surely?

[CCFCC3PO]

It's a massive leap to presume somebody who is in fact heeding the scientific advice from experts all over the world, is instead listening to Boris and his cast of Tory twats. You've got me mixed up with our friend CCFCC3PO, which is not only unfortunate but it's more insulting than anything I've said to you in recent days.

I don't think he has. I think I have passed an opinion on masks (not much scientific evidence on their effectiveness, and they are best kept for people on the front line). The fact that isolation has been used as a tool to defeat pandemics throughout history, and is the advice of scientific experts means that I think this is the best way forward. Judging by your outcry over people visiting parks, and people cycling I think it is something we agreed on, although I suspect the concept that we can agree on some subjects and not others may be one that you will be unable to grasp

[Croesy Blue]

Heading towards the worst hit country in Europe. The so called lockdown probably came too late. Time for more restrictions?

I think at this rate they are going to have to do something. Probably something similar to France.

People keep quoting that it’s mostly only 65s dying. My questions to those are:

Does that mean they think we should be able to go around as normal as people over 65 are old enough to die?

Do they not realise that lots of people under 65 need ICU admittance and would still over whelm the hospitals?

[tell it like it is]

That should be the default position surely?

Not really, no. You earn respect.

[Croesy Blue]

Not really, no. You earn respect.

Not to get into this ridiculous argument, but you don’t treat anyone with respect unless you know them if you take this approach.

[CCFCC3PO]

Here's an idea for you: stop attempting to engage with me. The truth is I have no interest in you whatsoever. I think you're an utter fool and a really, really boring one at that. This thread wasn't intended for your attention, so why not go and post on a thread where people do want to engage with you? There are plenty of them.

You are jibbering now. You have "no interest" in me, yet have gone through my posting history, the date I've joined and so on. I'll carry on posting in this thread, if it is all the same with you. Why? Because I am interested in why Organ Morgan has the views he does have. I am also interested in why you have very few views on anything, other than character assassinations, at all. Hopefully the football will start soon, and you can get back to boycotting the football club from the Bob Bank.

[tell it like it is]

Not to get into this ridiculous argument, but you don’t treat anyone with respect unless you know them if you take this approach.

Not at all. Just because you don't point out someone is a blithering cockwomble from day one doesn't mean you respect them.

[Organ Morgan.]

You said a week ago that you would only quarantine those showing symptoms of the virus. Why the change?

Even with this route the number of infections and people needing hospital treatment would be high enough to have way more people needing hospital treatment than could be treated surely?

You're mistaken. I didn't state that last week or any other week.

[Croesy Blue]

You're mistaken. I didn't state that last week or any other week.

Well....

So we would be better off not having a quaratine and everyone going about their daily business as usual then?

I'd go for isolating the already ill - whether elderly or not - route rather than the path being taken. To me it's the lesser of two evils. I'm amongst a small minority though.

But there is a good chance people who aren't showing symptoms have the virus and are contangeous though, you're going to end up with loads more ill and loads more needing to use the ICU in that case.

Italy and Spain isolated anyone showing symptoms initially and it didn't do any good there, why would it work here?

As I said, lesser of two evils. Trump's been struggling to convey the same message re the cure being worse than the disease.

[Croesy Blue]

Even if we change what you’re saying to “high risk” there are still so many flaws that we’d end up with a load of deaths.

You’d end up with a massive amount of people infected and hospitals being overwhelmed meaning already ill people couldn’t be treated.

Can you just please tell me you understand that direct death rate isn’t the reason behind the lockdown?

Also Trump was struggling to convey the same message and they’re the only country more ****ed than us.

[Organ Morgan.]

Well....

Well, it's plain it's in the context as was explicitly stated, the lesser of two evils and better than reducing the economy to a smoking ruin.

Can you imagine what that would look like? Desperate people commit violent crimes. Once every business premises had been looted, or too well guarded by the military (as Martial Law would have been enforced by then), gangs would form to kick in the doors of their neighbours to rob them and Christ knows what else.

It's great to bang on about saving lives by doing what has never been done before holds far greater risks (my opinion) but few are prepared to consider what life would become for themselves and theirs with a shell of an economy. Do you think you'll be sat at home unemployed with a stoic stiff upper lip with the power grid either down or outages every day and afraid to venture out in search of food?

[tell it like it is]

Well, it's plain it's in the context as was explicitly stated, the lesser of two evils and better than reducing the economy to a smoking ruin.

Can you imagine what that would look like? Desperate people commit violent crimes. Once every business premises had been looted, or too well guarded by the military (as Martial Law would have been enforced by then), gangs would form to kick in the doors of their neighbours to rob them and Christ knows what else.

It's great to bang on about saving lives by doing what has never been done before holds far greater risks (my opinion) but few are prepared to consider what life would become for themselves and theirs with a shell of an economy. Do you think you'll be sat at home unemployed with a stoic stiff upper lip with the power grid either down or outages every day and afraid to venture out in search of food?

But you did say, repeatedly, the thing you claimed you've never said, right?

[Heathblue]

There has been an interview aired by the BBC a few times today (it was just on) perhaps it been on many times before its just unusual for me to be listening to the BBC. Bill Gates wants a world vaccination, a vaccine would normally take 5 years (he wants it in 18 months) and accepts the quality control wouldn't be as it should!!!, and would like indemnification of the companies (his) who would produce his vaccine. Are you all prepared to bend over and permit his maybe dodgy vaccine jammed in your harris ? and possible a yearly booster.
I can post this now, as his interview was with the BBC and thus non conspiratoral.
Bill Gates, totally incapable of producing a virus beating operating system since MSDOS version 1.1 released in 1981.

[CCFCC3PO]

There has been an interview aired by the BBC a few times today (it was just on) perhaps it been on many times before its just unusual for me to be listening to the BBC. Bill Gates wants a world vaccination, a vaccine would normally take 5 years (he wants it in 18 months) and accepts the quality control wouldn't be as it should!!!, and would like indemnification of the companies (his) who would produce his vaccine. Are you all prepared to bend over and permit his maybe dodgy vaccine jammed in your harris ? and possible a yearly booster.
I can post this now, as his interview was with the BBC and thus non conspiratoral.
Bill Gates, totally incapable of producing a virus beating operating system since MSDOS version 1.1 released in 1981.

Why do you say the vaccine (not yet created) is dodgy?

[Heathblue]

Why do you say the vaccine (not yet created) is dodgy?

He accepted, that to do it quickly, quality control maybe compromised and is why i said MAYBE DODGY


So will you bend over for it ?

[Organ Morgan.]

Yes. But only of you continue to choose to be wilfully blind.

[CCFCC3PO]

He accepted, that to do it quickly, quality control maybe compromised and is why i said MAYBE DODGY


So will you bend over for it ?

I'd expect it to be in the arm, to be honest, but I would take it yes.

[Organ Morgan.]

But you did say, repeatedly, the thing you claimed you've never said, right?

You are not stupid. But if for whatever reason you choose to remain wilfully blind then I'll concede you are correct.

[tell it like it is]

You are not stupid. But if for whatever reason you choose to remain wilfully blind then I'll concede you are correct.

I realised we're all unenlightened compared to our good self...

I tend to agree with the "civil disobedience" view tbh. I think if we'd gone full lockdown day one there's a high chance of what you predicted may have happened - imo any lockdown needed to be phased in. As people understood the nature of the virus better then a full lockdown becomes more acceptable, minimising the number of idiots arguing against it due to youtube videos.

[dml1954]

There has been an interview aired by the BBC a few times today (it was just on) perhaps it been on many times before its just unusual for me to be listening to the BBC. Bill Gates wants a world vaccination, a vaccine would normally take 5 years (he wants it in 18 months) and accepts the quality control wouldn't be as it should!!!, and would like indemnification of the companies (his) who would produce his vaccine. Are you all prepared to bend over and permit his maybe dodgy vaccine jammed in your harris ? and possible a yearly booster.
I can post this now, as his interview was with the BBC and thus non conspiratoral.
Bill Gates, totally incapable of producing a virus beating operating system since MSDOS version 1.1 released in 1981.

To be fair, the way I heard it, he said that if the world wanted the vaccine quicker than the expected 18 months, then they might have to accept less stringent quality control than otherwise would be the case. This is slightly different from what you said above and I think that Gates was making the point that there is a trade off between desperation to get a vaccine and the need to follow usual procedures.