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That's just it, it is/was on everyday products and since the poor don't have enough money to save then lots of their income when spent has a VAT charge, for richer people not as much of their income ends up having VAT on it, for starters they don't spend all their money.
That's why you will often see VAT described as a tax on the poor, if I remember Labour once had the idea of lower rates of VAT for everyday items and higher rates of VAT for luxury items.
Before you go on your faux outrage crusade did I wish WB poor health?
He’s constantly harping on about getting the economy back up and running, I merely pointed out if he feels so strongly about it he should get out there but be mindful of the consequences
So with all due respect your attempt at screaming outage because your poor hero has been given some advice has made you look a tad dim.
The UK COVID-19 hospital death rate rebounded higher to 823 over the last day following a recent dip.
Extending the restrictions for just three weeks appeared to offer many false hope that some will be lifted soon after that end date. I don't blame the government for playing that game but I sense a lot of the current goodwill will take a swan dive once boiling hot days in June, July and August arrive with people stuck at home sweating bullets and are sick of the sight of one another.
In 2014 the government could call upon a circa 45K total of army Reserve and Regular Reservist Soldiers. What their strength is today is likely similar. I suppose they will be deployed to aid police should widespread public disorder become commonplace.
September time would be when the COVID-19 second wave would hit, if indeed there is a second wave, and I imagine a greater acceptance of lockdown measures would return.
This twitter thread about cherrypicking statistics that are not comparable to make them seem comparable, reminded me of what Organ did here, comparing a bad entire year of flu deaths to a few weeks of covid deaths (unfinished) to downplay how serious it is.
First of all, here's a graph from the @ONS - do you see the massive, unprecedented spike in deaths due to Covid-19? Of course you do.
— Sesh Nadathur (@SeshNadathur) April 21, 2020
So how do we square this with @montie's tweet saying deaths are actually lower this year than 2018? 2/https://t.co/8q3djdNj80 pic.twitter.com/uRhaTI5aX4
759 new hospital deaths in the UK.
The comments made by the WHO boss (below) caught my attention. The last line is going to be infinitely easier to say than done.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52377357
At the World Health Organization's briefing, its head has warned that although epidemics in Western Europe "appear to be stable or declining", there are still "worrying upward trends in Africa, Central and South America, and Eastern Europe".
"Make no mistake - we have a long way to go, this virus will be with us for a long time," director-general Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said.
He said that while people are "understandably frustrated" with stay-at-home orders, "one of the greatest dangers we face now is complacency".
"The world will not and cannot go back to the way things were," Dr Tedros added. "There must be a new normal, a world that's healthier, safer and better prepared."
Cyril, I wish to take this opportunity to implore you to stay at home as much as you possibly can. Whenever your resolve may weaken slightly then remind yourself you're helping to save British lives which is an incredibly noble cause. Please put any concerns about the country's, along with you and yours, economic well being to the back of your mind by continuing to place your unshakeable faith in our government.
Interesting take on the question I asked about your views on the WHO. I have to say though that whenever my mental well-being wavers as a consequence of the circumstances we are in I remind myself of the great Plandemic of 2015 and any tension eases right away as the tears run down my cheeks.
I don't know much about the WHO other than it's a part of the United Nations. Its boss' reported remarks struck me as conditioning for what's ahead. I'd place Whitty's, a UK .gov medical adviser, comments in the same category as no ministers to my knowledge have questioned his suggestion that measures will not be lifted "for at least the rest of the year."
Being a keen reader of my posts here you will know already that I'm an advocate for much stronger rules and regulations and that I'd welcome the sight of army personnel carriers trundling down residential streets to quell social unrest wherever it may arise should the government feel it necessary to deploy them.
Reassuring that you're bearing up there. That's the ticket.
The stupendously bad, and much worse than anticipated, UK Manufacturing and Services PMI data released earlier indicate Blighty's economic woes are dire today and set to become a great deal worse by this year's end.
Our resolve to save British lives whatever the economic fallout may entail could be severely tested by then. But I have confidence that you will remain an ardent supporter of the path that has been chosen.
I know your desire to see yourself as special and different from the herd takes you into some interesting places to try and achieve this.
In this instance it's like nobody but you, not the governments of the world be they autocratic or democratic, capitalist or communist, 1st world or 3rd, can see the economic consequences of the measures being put in place.
It may come as a shock to you that almost everyone can see that there will need to be a point where economic and social considerations outweigh a residual health risk. I like a good number of those people would rather one period of pain rather than waves where we open up only to move backwards again.
Most people would see that carrying on in the way we were and a manner that you have championed because its just like flu after all would have been catastrophic for both the nations's health and its wealth compared to the alternative course of action belatedly chosen. Most people realise now that not locking down sooner increased the health problem and extended the period of economic uncertainty. But I keep on forgetting.....you're not most people are you!
I see that some misgivings are creeping in at your end, Cyril. A small but critical shift has occurred at Maison Evans. You also appear to be reverting to the bitter persona of a week or two back.
Returning to those UK economic numbers, Manufacturing PMI had previously been at 48, was forecast to drop to 42 and came in at 32. Services PMI had previously been at 34, was forecast to drop to 28 and came in at a stunning 12. The ferocity of the slump surpassed that thought imaginable by even the most pessimistic economists whose predictions were surveyed. French and German equivalent numbers were similarly horrible and another 4.5 million Yanks made new unemployment claims during the past week.
We appear to be in an unannounced race to learn which First World country's population become destitute first.
Great reply, this proves your point:
https://mol.im/a/8249709
Very worrying and sad to see so many deaths and cases surrounding that event
I keep viewing news reports of an increasing number of people visiting parks and more traffic on the roads whenever the sun appears and temperatures rise. The government need to act by throwing increased resources at enforcing compliance otherwise more British people will lose their lives than otherwise would.
It was reported a few weeks back that Greater Manchester Police had broken up hundreds of house parties. They learned of them because good citizens had reported those highly dangerous gatherings to them. We need a widely advertised free national phone hotline manned by thousands to ensure no caller is placed on hold. Promoting a telltale culture would alarm wishy-washy liberal types who concern themselves with civil liberties and all that bollocks but I'm positive a large majority of the rest of us would welcome the introduction of a service like that.
Perhaps a system which offers small financial rewards for providing accurate tips that result in fines being issued would prove to be a valuable extra inducement?
In the first video below from two states in the USA one official encourages people to film (and report) those breaking social distancing rules.
Is there anyone else around here who would also welcome a new 'grassing' paradigm?
Yes, having neighbours become the eyes of the state is the way forward to inhibit those who don't care about breaching rules. Creating an easy way to report our suspicions, I reckon, would soon see an upsurge of curtain twitching nationwide. It would foster an air of distrust and paranoia which would splinter communities further but that would be a small price to pay to save British lives.
From a moral perspective I'd be a little uneasy about financially incentivising making reports as so many of life's rogues and charlatans would be tempted to use it as a money making opportunity by exaggerating what they had claimed to witness. I can think of quite a few characters around here who fit that profile. I don't doubt the likes of Lardy and Cyril would spend most of their waking hours snitching down the blower.
Organ, you're slowly morphing into walesbales. Just giving you the heads up so you can put the handbrake on.
#lardyandcyril
I gave you fair warning very recently that if you cared to be a bitter individual going forward then I'd blast you with both barrels just for fun.
If you're suffering from 'cabin fever' then I couldn't give a flying feck. Adopt a stoic mindset instead of being a weakling.
"I don't doubt the likes of Lardy and Cyril would spend most of their waking hours snitching down the blower."
Just the one barrel next time, Mr Organ Sir, that was too brutal!