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  1. #176

    Re: This NHS app

    Quote Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO View Post
    Wow, Lone Gunman, what a marvellous sacrifice you are making.

    I'm not making any sacrifice whatsoever and haven't made any claims to be doing so. On the contrary, my current working arrangements suit me just fine as I'd be bored out of my brains if I was sat at home all day every day. That would definitely have a negative effect on my mental health.

    Like you said, "If everyone did what I am doing the virus would be gone by now". I apologise for paraphrasing, as I am sure you will apologise for being completely unscientific. But, let's just analyse that for a moment. If everyone was going to work, as you are doing, then keeping 2m apart would be impossible.

    I obviously didn't mean the virus would be eliminated within a few months if everyone was still going to work. I meant the virus would be eliminated within a few months if everyone had behaved in the same manner that I've been behaving in terms of social distancing. But you obviously knew that's exactly what I meant.

    You also said "I am putting myself at risk without putting others in danger".

    I said: "I've not put a single person in any kind of danger and I've put myself in harm's way on a regular basis so that more than forty of my colleagues can work from home throughout the lockdown."

    I questioned the logic of that. It appears I was wrong to do so.

    You were.

    I would also be equally wrong to suggest that boycotting Cardiff matches from the Bob Bank is daft, in fact it shows your complete brilliance of thinking outside the box.

    You would. If I was boycotting Cardiff City matches from the Bob Bank that would indeed be daft. For starters, it would be impossible as the Bob Bank was demolished in 2009. The fact is that I boycotted Cardiff City matches from July 2012 until January 2015 while the team was playing it's home games in a red kit. I haven't boycotted any matches since. I just haven't been to very many.

    I think it is absolutely amazing how, in your dealings with security guards, workmen, courier drivers and so on, that you are not putting them at risk whilst, at the same time, being at risk from them.

    I've not been at any risk from the majority of them. However, unfortunately there are some individuals who seemingly cannot grasp the 2-metre social distancing idea at all. I've dealt with plenty of those since mid-March. I've also encountered plenty of people out on the streets and on public transport who seemingly cannot understand it while I've been travelling to and from work.

    I will call Imperial College first thing on Monday to tell them of this latest development, that somehow you have discovered that the virus only travels in one direction, and that is towards you. If we could simply isolate you, then the virus would be ****ed. It wouldn't know where to go. It would probably decide to kill itself, such would be its state of melancholy from not being able to get to you.

    Don't be silly.

    I am eternally grateful that you spent time discussing the topic with mere mortals.

    A mere mortal? Well, I guess that's one way to describe you. I can think of plenty of others.

    And, you know what, you are right.

    Cheers.

    I HAVE been spending much of the lockdown at home.

    That much has been blatantly obvious for many weeks.

    I wouldn't say I am "hiding" behind a computer screen all day, but I do have more time on my hands as a result of there being less work (and less pay), but hey - that is by the by now I know that a loss of money is nothing compared to the sacrifices you are making daily. But, I have taken your advice and as soon as my partner comes home from their night shift at a covid riddled care home, we're going to head on out there. Obviously, we'll be keeping our 2m distance from others.

    That's sensible. A bit of fresh air will do you good. It seems like you badly need it.

    And, this app, yep again you are right.

    Cheers again.

    Nobody is going to download it, so why should we?

    Don't be daft. If it ever sees the light of day, millions of people will download the app. Also, millions won't.

    Who, in the general public, would want to be alerted come the expected day of my partner getting covid-19 and the likely chance that they have come into contact with us as we exercise extreme 2m social distancing and get out and about there.

    It's unlike you to present a worst-case scenario... If members of the public want to download the app, they will. If they don't, they won't. It's as simple as that, isn't it?

    Thank-you The Lone Gunman.

    Pleasure. Honest.

    On Thursday we clapped for the NHS. Tonight, we're all going to clap for you. It'll be emotional.

    I wouldn't bother if I were you. I won't hear you. Incidentally, you say "we're all going to....." So which poor ***** do you represent?
    No doubt you'll respond yet again while you continue to ignore me. I'll look forward to it.


  2. #177

    Re: This NHS app

    Quote Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO View Post
    It "might not be" anonymised. The sourcecode is now available and that will soon be proven or disproven I suppose.

    As for the postcode data being collected - they ask for the first half of your postcode. Mine is NP10. Now you know who I am!

    On the dp-3t protocol - this has also sparked uproar in Europe for privacy concerns. Maybe the App developers were acting on that response?
    You ask a shit ton of questions and demand answers from everybody else and never answer anything you are asked. This is pointless.

  3. #178

    Re: This NHS app

    Quote Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO View Post
    Are those my own words? Or, are those my misinterpreted words?

    The other protocol in use has sparked privacy fears and warnings in Europe. I am merely acknowledging that whichever app path they decided to go down, they would have been met by the same resistance and from the exact same group of people.

    For example, would Eric Cartman download the app if suddenly the app developers said "We are moving to a decentralised system"?
    He's got the crystal ball out now.

    Much more likely to download if they move to the decentralised protocol

  4. #179

    Re: This NHS app

    Quote Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO View Post
    Are you suggesting that Governments stop doing things because of little pockets of resistance? How would Government even function?
    After 4 failed attempts to get an answer, only to be met by further questions and attempts to confuse matters and be argumentative by yourself, I'll bow out at this point, before I get the hair dryer treatment. There's only so much banging of head against a wall I'll do.

  5. #180

    Re: This NHS app

    Quote Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO View Post
    The data will be obtained by the app.
    What is your qualification to speak as an authority on this?

    I have spent taken my lead from academics and qualified people to help me decide whether I support the UK app or not. Now, that might be flawed but I haven't seen you cite anything other than official government literature which I think is at least equally flawed considering the attack on privacy of the last few years.

  6. #181

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    There is absolutely no chance whatsoever this virus would have been eliminated if wed all observed the 2 metre and social distancing rules.
    Less deaths yeah.

    Now if theyd acted sooner rather than that contain or control phase bollox and everyone observed the social distancing.
    Then maybe it would have been controlled.

    But there was disastrous leadership which has continued.

  7. #182

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    There have been talk about firms getting contracts that have been used by Dominic Cummings.

    Is this App free of Cummings connections?

  8. #183

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO View Post
    The data will be obtained by the app.
    To highlight why the back end source code needs to be released I thought it best to provide an otherwise pretty neutral/complimentary take on the app.

    https://reincubate.com/blog/nhs-covi...acing-details/

    The key part being:

    "Ultimately, the code suggests there's little technical privacy risk from using the app until such time as a user reports symptoms and contacts the NHS to arrange a test. At that point, their test result would be managed by the NHS, though this isn't any different with or without the app. However, at such time as multiple users come into contact, report symptoms and arrange tests using the identifier that the app has provided them, it may or may not be possible to centrally tie them together. That's a back-end question, and as NHSX states on their app privacy report, code is truth in this regard."

  9. #184

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    Looks like the Government read this board https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...d-google-model

  10. #185

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    Quote Originally Posted by insider View Post
    Not all heroes wear capes
    Good job you quoted him as he has him on ignore how else would he bang his keyboard in such anger

  11. #186

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    There have been talk about firms getting contracts that have been used by Dominic Cummings.

    Is this App free of Cummings connections?
    Shortcummings, as it were.

  12. #187

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    Ok Jirga
    Hang on, this current account had a few more weeks to run, you have spoilt the surprise now

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    Hang on, this current account had a few more weeks to run, you have spoilt the surprise now

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    Called him out on being Jirga weeks ago, Matt. He can never hide his identity for too long as he can't resist falling into his old habits.

    He hates this messageboard yet can't resist crawling back every time that he's banned to get some attention... bless his cotton socks.

  14. #189

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    Called him out on being Jirga weeks ago, Matt. He can never hide his identity for too long as he can't resist falling into his old habits.

    He hates this messageboard yet can't resist crawling back every time that he's banned to get some attention... bless his cotton socks.
    Is it Jirga? Shame if it is because back in the day he was a decent poster. I agreed with him over the rebrand. I don't really know what else went on.

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    Re: This NHS app

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    Is it Jirga? Shame if it is because back in the day he was a decent poster. I agreed with him over the rebrand. I don't really know what else went on.
    Oh yes!!!!

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    Re: This NHS app

    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    Good job you quoted him as he has him on ignore how else would he bang his keyboard in such anger
    Not exactly on topic is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    Called him out on being Jirga weeks ago, Matt. He can never hide his identity for too long as he can't resist falling into his old habits.

    He hates this messageboard yet can't resist crawling back every time that he's banned to get some attention... bless his cotton socks.
    Again, this is based on the flawless principle that only one person can have this one emotion. I don't dislike the board, I find it highly amusing that at a time of talking of herd immunity,we get a herd mentality instead. Interestingly, I am not the only one who is accused of being, as the Beatles once sang, Some Other Guy. I often find people are quick to accuse others of behaviour they actually partake in. I think I asked if you had evidence I was Some Other Guy, but you couldn't provide anything then. Maybe you can now.

    What I have asked here, a number of times, is why is the site "Not secure", and why are cookies downloaded even when users explicitly select the option to not have cookies downloaded?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO View Post
    Again, this is based on the flawless principle that only one person can have this one emotion. I don't dislike the board, I find it highly amusing that at a time of talking of herd immunity,we get a herd mentality instead. Interestingly, I am not the only one who is accused of being, as the Beatles once sang, Some Other Guy. I often find people are quick to accuse others of behaviour they actually partake in. I think I asked if you had evidence I was Some Other Guy, but you couldn't provide anything then. Maybe you can now.

    What I have asked here, a number of times, is why is the site "Not secure", and why are cookies downloaded even when users explicitly select the option to not have cookies downloaded?
    Who cares enough to check? Its a football site FFS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    Who cares enough to check? Its a football site FFS.
    It's an internet site and it has to adhere to the rules that are in place. Just like the app that the grown-ups in the thread are discussing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO View Post
    It's an internet site and it has to adhere to the rules that are in place. Just like the app that the grown-ups in the thread are discussing.
    There you go, being insulting again. And you are the person who says there is no need for it. tut tut. Another waste of space keyboard warrior.
    If you do care enough why don't you report it to the relevant authorities and have it closed down?

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    Re: This NHS app

    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    There you go, being insulting again. And you are the person who says there is no need for it. tut tut. Another waste of space keyboard warrior.
    If you do care enough why don't you report it to the relevant authorities and have it closed down?
    I was hoping the thread could stay on topic, it isn't difficult to do that surely? Start a new thread and ask me the question there, or send me a PM. I'll answer it there. I said the grown-ups were talking about the app, you were talking about the app earlier in the thread, ergo you are a grown up.

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    Re: This NHS app

    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    Hang on, this current account had a few more weeks to run, you have spoilt the surprise now

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    I think this would be more apt in this case.
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  23. #198

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO View Post
    I was hoping the thread could stay on topic, it isn't difficult to do that surely? Start a new thread and ask me the question there, or send me a PM. I'll answer it there. I said the grown-ups were talking about the app, you were talking about the app earlier in the thread, ergo you are a grown up.
    Is there much more to add to this thread? (serious question) It seems that people will make their choices based on the information at hand, their lifestyles and no doubt political beliefs. You're asking the same questions in my opinion. How many answers are there?

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    Re: This NHS app

    Quote Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO View Post
    Again, this is based on the flawless principle that only one person can have this one emotion. I don't dislike the board, I find it highly amusing that at a time of talking of herd immunity,we get a herd mentality instead. Interestingly, I am not the only one who is accused of being, as the Beatles once sang, Some Other Guy. I often find people are quick to accuse others of behaviour they actually partake in. I think I asked if you had evidence I was Some Other Guy, but you couldn't provide anything then. Maybe you can now.

    What I have asked here, a number of times, is why is the site "Not secure", and why are cookies downloaded even when users explicitly select the option to not have cookies downloaded?
    You think that you asked me for evidence... but you definitely didn't. Other than scouring through all of your aliases' posts to show how identical they are on tone and content (and the fact that you've got so much history of having multiple accounts on here), I can't give you anything more.

    Sorry, you're not kidding anyone, Jirga. That's ok though, it's your choice to pretend you're someone else if it makes you feel better and I will stop calling you out on it if it's making you upset.

    I just can't get into the mindset of someone who has repeatedly disparaged the messageboard, it's mods, a large majority of it's posters, the fans of the club which the messageboard is aimed at (and the club in general) would want to keep coming back here after being banned and pretend to be someone else. It seems like an unhealthy obsession and a bit weird, to be honest.

    Like I said... If it makes you happy then carry on regardless, I'll stop calling you out.

    Take care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    You think that you asked me for evidence... but you definitely didn't. Other than scouring through all of your aliases' posts to show how identical they are on tone and content (and the fact that you've got so much history of having multiple accounts on here), I can't give you anything more.

    Sorry, you're not kidding anyone, Jirga. That's ok though, it's your choice to pretend you're someone else if it makes you feel better and I will stop calling you out on it if it's making you upset.

    I just can't get into the mindset of someone who has repeatedly disparaged the messageboard, it's mods, a large majority of it's posters, the fans of the club which the messageboard is aimed at (and the club in general) would want to keep coming back here after being banned and pretend to be someone else. It seems like an unhealthy obsession and a bit weird, to be honest.

    If it makes you happy then carry on regardless, I'll stop calling you out.

    Take care.
    So, no evidence? Apart from me and this other person both write in English? You've nailed it son.

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