London Demonstrations....

[ccfc_is_my_life]

Knew it wouldn't take long for legitimate protests to be derailed.

https://antisemitism.uk/protest-agai...d3EcDRlQc9UJJQ

[cyril evans awaydays]

Knew it wouldn't take long for legitimate protests to be derailed.

https://antisemitism.uk/protest-agai...d3EcDRlQc9UJJQ

Talk us through your thinking.

[ccfc_is_my_life]

Talk us through your thinking.

"“A speaker stood up and started bringing up Israel in a context where you wouldn’t really expect Israel to be relevant. He started talking conspiratorially about how Israel was responsible for racism and he used the antisemitic tropes of bringing Israel in where Israel is not relevant”. The officer, in attendance at the protest, raised his concerns to those around him but in return “received threatening stares” and opted to leave the protest after being made to feel “uncomfortable”."

So Israel responsible for racism, hey? Damn those pesky Jews for experiencing antisemitism throughout history, if only their skin pigmentation was dark enough for the woke to care...

[cyril evans awaydays]

"“A speaker stood up and started bringing up Israel in a context where you wouldn’t really expect Israel to be relevant. He started talking conspiratorially about how Israel was responsible for racism and he used the antisemitic tropes of bringing Israel in where Israel is not relevant”. The officer, in attendance at the protest, raised his concerns to those around him but in return “received threatening stares” and opted to leave the protest after being made to feel “uncomfortable”."

So Israel responsible for racism, hey? Damn those pesky Jews for experiencing antisemitism throughout history, if only their skin pigmentation was dark enough for the woke to care...

Let's try to work through the same evidence we have:

The Jewish Chronicle posts an article here:

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/s...t=cecil+rhodes

It has a video of a 3rd generation Palestinian who made some emotive accusations about the State of Israel.

Euan McGivern, 23, the Equality and Diversity Officer of Oriel Middle Common Room, said: “A speaker stood up and started bringing up Israel in a context where you wouldn’t really expect Israel to be relevant. “He started talking conspiratorially about how Israel was responsible for racism,” Mr McGivern said, “and he used the antisemitic tropes of bringing Israel in where Israel is not relevant”.

Mr McGivern, who attended the Rhodes Must Fall protest with friends, said that when he mentioned that the speaker’s statements might be antisemitic, he received “threatening stares from people around us” and left the event after being made to feel “uncomfortable”. Two Jewish students and six non-Jewish students have since approached Mr McGivern about the remarks at the protest, saying that they were “hurt and concerned”.

So on the back of this with some guy spouting off on a mike for a minute exclusively about Israel you reach the conclusion that the BLM protest has been derailed.?

[ccfc_is_my_life]

Let's try to work through the same evidence we have:

The Jewish Chronicle posts an article here:

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/s...t=cecil+rhodes

It has a video of a 3rd generation Palestinian who made some emotive accusations about the State of Israel.

Euan McGivern, 23, the Equality and Diversity Officer of Oriel Middle Common Room, said: “A speaker stood up and started bringing up Israel in a context where you wouldn’t really expect Israel to be relevant. “He started talking conspiratorially about how Israel was responsible for racism,” Mr McGivern said, “and he used the antisemitic tropes of bringing Israel in where Israel is not relevant”.

Mr McGivern, who attended the Rhodes Must Fall protest with friends, said that when he mentioned that the speaker’s statements might be antisemitic, he received “threatening stares from people around us” and left the event after being made to feel “uncomfortable”. Two Jewish students and six non-Jewish students have since approached Mr McGivern about the remarks at the protest, saying that they were “hurt and concerned”.

So on the back of this with some guy spouting off on a mike for a minute exclusively about Israel you reach the conclusion that the BLM protest has been derailed.?

Plenty of antisemitism within BLM. Tis just the tip of the iceberg.

Still, the original comment was a tad flippant, granted but the responses by some illuminating.

[cyril evans awaydays]

Plenty of antisemitism within BLM. Tis just the tip of the iceberg.

Still, the original comment was a tad flippant, granted but the responses by some illuminating.

I guess we can all get a bit "woke" (whatever that is) trying to prove a point!

[jon1959]

Knew it wouldn't take long for legitimate protests to be derailed.

https://antisemitism.uk/protest-agai...d3EcDRlQc9UJJQ

There have been hundreds of news reports since George Floyd's murder that discuss joint US/Israeli police training and the introduction of choke holds to incapacitate a suspect or prisoner. Most of them suggest that the 'technique' was invented by the Israeli police and army for use on Palestinians. Many of the reports come from Israeli sources. Some deny that Israeli forces use a knee to the throat, but none of them deny joint training programmes going back years.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...ement-training

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20...police-forces/

https://www.amnestyusa.org/with-whom...olator-israel/

https://fpif.org/why-we-should-be-al...ning-together/

https://mondoweiss.net/2020/06/georg...ing-in-israel/

https://progressive.org/dispatches/u...-cohen-191007/

https://www.thejc.com/news/us-news/a...olice-1.500211

This is a legitimate part of the debate about structural racism, police cultures and practices, and what models the USA should use if it wants to reform its police and justice systems and earn public support.

It may be that the issue was not raised in Oxford in a way that fitted the BLM event - I don't know from a third person account - or it may be that any reference to Israel, however relevant or appropriate, will generate reflex headlines about 'antisemitism'. That would be no more surprising than a white police officer killing another African-american man!