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They may be in a minority, but they still live in a world where things are stacked in their favor.Originally Posted by Toadstool
Because that what Black Lives Matter means. It's already a given that white lives matter. Black Lives Matter means "black lives matter too". Or "all lives matter including us".Black-Lives-Matter3.jpg
Do you genuinely need this explained to you or are you taking the piss?
Yes I've got no objection to All Lives Matter in relation to shoving that down the throat of the right wing which has caused so much misery over the years but in this particular context Black Lives Matter is appropriate. I really cannot understand why anyone would object to it unless they're overtly or covertly racist.
Yes please. What is there to object to "All lives matter" unless you think that only "Black lives Matter".
All we Socialists are certainly protesting for them too. There's just so much work to do
It goes a long way to explain the Brexit debacle in the North and the vote for the shower of shit we presently suffer in government. Yes turkeys do vote for Christmas.
In my opinion, White working class men, especially the young, have an awful lot to be pissed off about. I understand that they're not targeted because of the colour of their skin but in my opinion, because of their class and culture, Black people get it both ways, class and skin colour, and the racist ingrained perceptions that go with their skin colour that are still heavily ingrained within society.
I'm trying to think as if i was stuck in a town (as a white male) with zero opportunity, social deprivation, poor housing and living standards, shitty jobs and then all of the social problems that go with it. Drug abuse, a reliance on Alcohol, teenage pregnancy, lack of activity, depression. I very much doubt that these problems were as prevalent when there was work and a thriving economy, because people had something to value which in turn, creates a healthy mind both socially and politically in my opinion.
Successive governments have wiped these areas out, these areas are full of white working class people, plenty of them don't feel valued and have lost all faith in politics, that's why we've seen successive protest votes in the EU referendum and then the large majority for the Tories, same thing in the states. The Left in this country have adopted right wing policies for so long that these communities have sort of taken things into their own hands by kicking back politically which has allowed an opening for the far right, wherever fascists prosper you can bet that there's been huge economic and political neglect.
Thesad thing for me is that these post industrial towns (and we can include the Valleys in this) were never really racist, the far right was never part of the picture because it certainly didn't benefit the white people who lived and worked in these areas. The industrial towns of the North and the Valleys were welcoming, they had plenty of immigrants due to the labour shortage and people rubbed along just fine, because everyone felt valued and had a purpose.
So, to add it up, it's about class, but in true fashion, and as an act of desperation, some working class people are making a distinction between black and white, when the thing is that both sides have been tortured politically, yet in true desperado politics, the weak attack the weak-that's the way i see it.
The fact you had to ask is scary enough.
It is beyond question that black people in a predominantly white western world suffer racism. This has gone on for centuries. Black people have usually had to play second best.Yet again another black person suffered at the hands of a racist policeman, losing his life. Black lives matter is simply that we should all unite and say we've had enough of racism towards black people. It is to show solidarity.
I support BLM as I'm fed up to the back teeth of racism by my own white people towards black and ethnic minorites, regardless of how casual and innocuous it is. I support their right to be equal to white people and to live without fear.
I do not say that black lives are more important, or suggest others are less important. I don't tolerate racism from any sources.
What I don't accept is this tag line of white lives matter or all lives matter IN RESPONSE to black lives matter. Almost everyone who comes out with all lives matter or the new white lives matter will not support black lives matter. These are missing the point. BLM is asking everyone to support the end of racism towards black people yet so many won't support this particular aim. Instead they twist the argument to say they want all lives to matter, unable to side with those wanting an end of racism towards black people.
One day, perhaps after years of suffering racism, white people will feel a need to want to stop being the victim of racism and then, by all means, have a campaign. But to use white or all lives matter as a response to a request for everyone to agree that black lives matter is crass, ill-judged and shows how divided the country still is over race. A friend of mine said to me that this BLM/all lives thing shouldn't be about race, but he's wrong. It's about striving for an end to racial hatred towards people due to the colour of their skin. Either you support that and be proud to say Black Lives Matter or you don't.
nobody is saying that all lives don't matter, but repeatedly saying it in response to BLM is only diminishing the message and the chance of change.
if you had a heart attack, and a paramedic arrived to give you for, but then a passer by insisted he got cpr half the time as well despite not having a heart attack, how would you feel towards that passer by?
I object to the slogan ‘All Lives Matter’ on the grounds that it’s completely, utterly, crushingly, mind-numbingly stupid and pointless and it totally misses the point. I also object to it because, in my experience, the vast majority of people who are peddling it are completely disingenuous and, in reality, they don’t believe anything of the sort. Hope that helps.
Great response Eric!
That doesn't help at all. It explains nothing. Why don't you just say you can't be bothered to reply?
All lives do matter, But not all lives are subject to racism because of the colour of their skin. It has to be a single issue, it can't be anything else. That doesn't mean that the people protesting don't care about white people.
I used to think about helping the needy but I now realise that we should help everybody......
Why don't you google it? Unless you don't really care and just want to wind people up.
Thank you. I get that but don't get why there were also objections to Black Lives Matter too".
How about 'Black Lives Also Matter As Much As Other Races Do'... really rolls off the tongue for a protest group.
The "too" isn't required and people seem to be looking to criticise the group for semantics when they don't want to outright criticise the movement - mainly due to fear of showing their true colours (pun mostly intended).
Black Lives Matter is the exact point that they are trying to make. They do matter.
People object to "Black Lives Matter" because it reminds them that they're racists and that makes them uncomfortable.
Would changing "black lives matter" to "black lives matter too" really bring many of those who have a problem with the former on board? I doubt it, some would accept it, but I'm sorry, I think most would then move on to something else about BLM that they could have a dig at.
https://www.skysports.com/football/n...n-white-people
Mike Wedderburn: Black Lives Matter is a cry for help, not an attack on white people
There seems to be a misconception that Black Lives Matter means that white lives don't.
That is the only reason I can imagine that someone would think it is a good idea to fly a banner over a football stadium only minutes after all the players and staff took a knee in support of a movement asking only for equality.
It's not the 'Black Lives Matter More' Movement. It is simply that they matter.
George Floyd wasn't a one off and don't kid yourself that it only happens thousands of miles away. It happens here.
In 1981, Yvonne Ruddock, a black 16-year-old, was celebrating her birthday until an arson attack put paid to the celebrations. She was one of 13 killed. The police treated the victims as suspects.
In 1985, the police shot and paralysed Cherry Groce in her own home in front of her children as they searched for her son who no longer lived with her. A week later a police raid resulted in Cynthia Jarrett's death, another innocent black woman.
In 2011, reggae star Smiley Culture died in a police raid. In 2016, the former Premier League footballer Dalian Atkinson was tasered to death by the police. Dead black men. None of the officers involved were held accountable.
This is not a definitive list, it is just a snap shot. This is reality for black people. Young black males are taught how to make sure they don't antagonise the police when they are stopped.
So, to the people who flew the banner over the Etihad… understand that black people want a level playing field, an equal chance. That is all. Not more than you, just the same opportunities as you.
You may have heard the phrase 'White Privilege' and been antagonised by it. Don't be.
It doesn't mean that you live in the lap of luxury and spend your life deciding which magnum of champagne you will have with your dinner. It means that life is tilted in your direction to such an extent that you probably don't even notice.
When you walk around the shops is it assumed you are a criminal? Do the police stop you regularly because you look suspicious? If you are black the answer is yes. Is it for you?
In your business what colour are the people who have the power? What colour are the people who make the decisions? What colour is the manager of your favourite football team? What colour is the owner of your favourite football team?
The chances are that the answers are probably white and if you are white it has probably never crossed your mind to give it much thought. Have a think about it now. That is white privilege.
Black Lives Matter is not an attack on white people. It is a cry for help.
It is a declaration that we won't take the current situation anymore. But nothing changes without the help of white people.
It's a generalization true, but yes, different 'classes' certainly. Anyway, seems the police are going after them [ the banner thing]. They've already imprisoned a bloke for having a p*ss NEXT to a statue. Not sure either were illegal but what the hell..I should be apologising to you because my question was supposed to be to Monkfish for what he said.
Sorry about that.
Hit the nail right on the head there.
If you are unsure on the legality or otherwise of being prosecuted for urinating in a public place why don't you pop down to the top of Queens St this Saturday and empty your bladder next to Aneurin Bevan's statue? That should sort it out for you.
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