This government is a complete shambles

[CCFCC3PO]

But if people aren't using the capacity that's already there you can't 'make' them use it, so whats the point of enlarging the facility? As an example say, CCFC testing station. 5 lanes, say 10 minutes per test, 30/hour, open 12 hours a day, 360 tests a day. They aren't doing anywhere near that. Anyone ever driven past it and seen it busy? I doubt it, and they are all the same.
It doesn't matter what colour the government is, welsh red or brit blue, if people aren't booking tests after all the fuss on national radio and TV about people not being able to get them, how do you force them? The answer is, you can't!!!

We went to the one in Newport, and it was very busy. It has become less busy as fewer people report symptoms, and as more people opt for home tests, or get tested in the workplace.

[dml1954]

The thing that makes me laugh is the way that all the communist/socialist supporters on here lap up every bit of anti Government crap that is peddled by the media as if its gospel. Totally ignoring that all the media is interested in in sensationalising and magnifying the panic to serve their own ends. The BBC is one of the worst offenders, as evidenced by the way they ‘balance’ the audience and questions on their weekly Question Time programmes (not).

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

The thing that makes me laugh is the way that all the communist/socialist supporters on here lap up every bit of anti Government crap that is peddled by the media as if its gospel. Totally ignoring that all the media is interested in in sensationalising and magnifying the panic to serve their own ends. The BBC is one of the worst offenders, as evidenced by the way they ‘balance’ the audience and questions on their weekly Question Time programmes (not).

You think the bbc is left wing ?

Nick Robinson political editor........tory

Laura Kuennesberg ......tory


That's the last two political editors

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

The thing that makes me laugh is the way that all the communist/socialist supporters on here lap up every bit of anti Government crap that is peddled by the media as if its gospel. Totally ignoring that all the media is interested in in sensationalising and magnifying the panic to serve their own ends. The BBC is one of the worst offenders, as evidenced by the way they ‘balance’ the audience and questions on their weekly Question Time programmes (not).

How much of the current print and broadcast media do you think is left wing socialist etc ?

I have explained to you the political views of the last two heads of political broadcasts were tories

What other media outlets are left wing ?

Sky ?

The Sun ?

The Daily Mail ?

[Dorcus]

The thing that makes me laugh is how all the right wing fascists on here believe every little piece of bullshit the government propaganda machine churns out, defends it blindly to the hilt, and constantly attack the media, particularly the BBC, for its "fake news". I think we all know some of the worse offenders on here. One wonders how deaf and blind to the evidence they can be.

[Vindec]

The thing that makes me laugh is how all the right wing fascists on here believe every little piece of bullshit the government propaganda machine churns out, defends it blindly to the hilt, and constantly attack the media, particularly the BBC, for its "fake news". I think we all know some of the worse offenders on here. One wonders how deaf and blind to the evidence they can be.

So if you didn't vote Labour at the last election you are a right wing fascist? We've had Tory scum and apologist and now fascist. Some people are so one eyed and bigoted they can't see anything but Labour good, Tory bad. And Yes I'm not one who supports everything the Tories do but still shudder at the thought of having a government led by Corbyn, Abbot and McDonald. Funny how the Labour supporters on here blamed the media for losing the election.

[Dorcus]

So if you didn't vote Labour at the last election you are a right wing fascist? We've had Tory scum and apologist and now fascist. Some people are so one eyed and bigoted they can't see anything but Labour good, Tory bad. And Yes I'm not one who supports everything the Tories do but still shudder at the thought of having a government led by Corbyn, Abbot and McDonald. Funny how the Labour supporters on here blamed the media for losing the election.

I didn't blame the media, I blamed the electorate. Fortunately seeing the reality of the situation rather than the right wing fantasy that was projected, many will come to their senses I'm sure and never make the same silly mistake again.

[dembethewarrior]

The testing centre in abercynon had piles of staff stood around last week. Think they were using their bodies for heat they were stood that close together. Didn't see one person enter!!

[lisvaneblue]

I didn't blame the media, I blamed the electorate. Fortunately seeing the reality of the situation rather than the right wing fantasy that was projected, many will come to their senses I'm sure and never make the same silly mistake again.

The last election was about getting Brexit done. The Tories were making a mess of it with a dithering Theresa May and were there for the taking.
What did labour offer...an extreme left wing leader who was equally dithering, in the pocket of Momentum and tarnished by
antiseminetisim.

[jeepster]

So if you didn't vote Labour at the last election you are a right wing fascist? We've had Tory scum and apologist and now fascist. Some people are so one eyed and bigoted they can't see anything but Labour good, Tory bad. And Yes I'm not one who supports everything the Tories do but still shudder at the thought of having a government led by Corbyn, Abbot and McDonald. Funny how the Labour supporters on here blamed the media for losing the election.

The Labour defeat was all about no leadership or direction,very similar to what we have now.A front bench who you would not let them be in charge of looking after a pet for a day.

[xsnaggle]

The testing centre in abercynon had piles of staff stood around last week. Think they were using their bodies for heat they were stood that close together. Didn't see one person enter!!

It isn't the only one where you can see the same thing I promise you. lol

[Elwood Blues]

You think the bbc is left wing ?

Nick Robinson political editor........tory

Laura Kuennesberg ......tory


That's the last two political editors

Are they the only two BBC employees Sludge???

[Elwood Blues]

Can I ask if any of the Government apologists have watched the programme?

Not sure if you regard me as a government apologist Bob.

I watched some of the program last night but to be honest found very little I hadn't seen weeks ago.

I will.watch it all again tonight to see what I may have missed.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

How much of the current print and broadcast media do you think is left wing socialist etc ?

I have explained to you the political views of the last two heads of political broadcasts were tories

What other media outlets are left wing ?

Sky ?

The Sun ?

The Daily Mail ?

Sludge, we should know by now that arguing the point with dml1954 is a bit like punching smoke.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Are they the only two BBC employees Sludge???

Of course not but when it comes to political bias I think the fact that the last two chief political editors have been well known Tories tends to blow out of the water the claim that the BBC is left wing

No ?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Not sure if you regard me as a government apologist Bob.

I watched some of the program last night but to be honest found very little I hadn't seen weeks ago.

I will.watch it all again tonight to see what I may have missed.

I certainly do

You are clearly a tory and have admitted such on here despite personally being affected by this disgraceful governments attack on the sick and disabled

It amazes me you can vote for them really

[Elwood Blues]

If the Government apologists can't be bothered watching the whole programme, just look at the last five minutes which shows that the huge majority of tests have been carried out by public sector workers already in place while many of the 25,000 newly recruited private company employees are doing very little - they could be better used than this and could be used to track and trace as part of system o test more than those who have symptoms;-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...ing-gone-wrong

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Don't you mean that the majority of tracing has been done by public sector workers Bob?

[Elwood Blues]

I certainly do

You are clearly a tory and have admitted such on here despite personally being affected by this disgraceful governments attack on the sick and disabled

It amazes me you can vote for them really

Then you are a fool.Sludge.

Voting for them ( with some reluctance particularly last time) when you feel the alternative is even worse does not make you a tory.

As I have told you many times in the past the attack on the sick and disabled started under labour around 2007 when they replaced Incapacity Benefit and Severe Disablement Allowance with ESA and expanded the interview system they had already introduced on a random basis for IB and DLA.

This left an open door which the conservatives kicked open to do the same sort of thing to DLA (now PIP) of course.


If Labour had had a decent leader with decent policies in the last election sai would at least have abstained (I believe there should be a "none of the above " box at elections to show the idiots on all sides what we think of them)m

[Elwood Blues]

Missed out from my previous answer

I have many misgivings about the way things have been done during the pandemic not just by Boris but by all the home nations.

Indeed many nations have made mistakes during the crisis , even Germany but it will take a proper independent enquiry afterwards.

Not the knee jerk yahoo politics of left and right that goes on on this board and elsewhere.

[Elwood Blues]

Of course not but when it comes to political bias I think the fact that the last two chief political editors have been well known Tories tends to blow out of the water the claim ti7hat the BBC is left wing

No ?

No

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Then you are a fool.Sludge.

Voting for them ( with some reluctance particularly last time) when you feel the alternative is even worse does not make you a tory.

As I have told you many times in the past the attack on the sick and disabled started under labour around 2007 when they replaced Incapacity Benefit and Severe Disablement Allowance with ESA and expanded the interview system they had already introduced on a random basis for IB and DLA.

This left an open door which the conservatives kicked open to do the same sort of thing to DLA (now PIP) of course.


If Labour had had a decent leader with decent policies in the last election sai would at least have abstained (I believe there should be a "none of the above " box at elections to show the idiots on all sides what we think of them)m

Well if you are telling me you have voted for the tories several times then you are clearly a tory

With regard to the benefits system , the introduction of esa was not perfect but it wasnt until the election of Cameron's mob that the game changed . Tests became annual or every two years and when previously carried out by doctors were handed over to capita etc . It was the tories who brought in the insane notion that people with MS can get better and stopped the provision of lifetime awards that were usual with DLA

Duncan smith and his mob were savage and have since ignored all party select committee findings that both the current ESA and PIP policies are not fit for purpose and have even tried to ignore judicial review .

Yet you have experience of this bunch of chancers , you know the horror stories yet you back them ?

I think its astounding

Good luck if you run into trouble , you are going to need it

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

No

Well you have got beer goggles on then

The BBC has loads of tories in top jobs

Micheal grade is a huge tory

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Missed out from my previous answer

I have many misgivings about the way things have been done during the pandemic not just by Boris but by all the home nations.

Indeed many nations have made mistakes during the crisis , even Germany but it will take a proper independent enquiry afterwards.

Not the knee jerk yahoo politics of left and right that goes on on this board and elsewhere.

It will all come out in the wash what a balls up this government has made

But you will find some excuse to vote them back in

[Elwood Blues]

Well you have got beer goggles on then

The BBC has loads of tories in top jobs

Micheal grade is a huge tory

What has Michael Grade got to do with the BBC now?

[Elwood Blues]

Well if you are telling me you have voted for the tories several times then you are clearly a tory

With regard to the benefits system , the introduction of esa was not perfect but it wasnt until the election of Cameron's mob that the game changed . Tests became annual or every two years and when previously carried out by doctors were handed over to capita etc . It was the tories who brought in the insane notion that people with MS can get better and stopped the provision of lifetime awards that were usual with DLA and

Duncan smith and his mob were savage and have since ignored all party select committee findings that both the current ESA and PIP policies are not fit for purpose and have even tried to ignore judicial review .

Yet you have experience of this bunch of chancers , you know the horror stories yet you back them ?


I think its astounding

Good luck if you run into trouble , you are going to need it

Well.if Labour hadn't voted in a terrorist sympathiser as leader............

I have voted Liberal,SDP, Liberal Democrat over the years.

And Labour in the council elections.

Several times in all cases.

ESA Work Capability Assessments were carried out by ATOS from the start by healthcare professionals hired by ATOS not just doctors.

I am pretty sure it was every couple of years from the start.

it was ATOS who carried out the DLA assesments in 2007 when my wife had her last DLA renewal. It was more random then and she wasn't interviewed but I read the same horror stories as we hear these days.

My wife is now on PIP, not without a Mandatory reconsideration but she is getting the full amount now.