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I think that's arse
I live in a wealthy area
A bloke from the bridgend outreach team came to sort out our broadband the other day . He was about late twenties and came from a rough area of bridgend , wildmill. He used to play football football for the school team against the school team i played for which was a working class area of bridgend but our school was not full of hard knocks .
Lot of poverty , drugs , ill health in wildmill , free school meals , breakfast clubs
But a lot of good people who certainly would accept help , as he did as a youngster and certainly do give a shit about other people .
He was a city fan , he couldnt make it week in week out as he and his girlfriend who he was in school with were saving up to buy a house . He was at our place for two hours sorting out the fault . Had a great chat , had about four cups of tea , said talk talk will probably try and say you need a new router but there is no need , its taken me two hours to find this fault but its sorted now .
I said you have spent two hours here , you are a city fan , you have sorted out our Internet without another couple of days hanging around heres a little bit of cash , I gave him 50 quid , to go towards your new house or take your girlfriend out for a meal , stop her nagging you
He said that's really kind of you but I am unable to accept that , its just the way it is .
I reckon if people who needed a hand up , help with their bills , were struggling for money, paying heating bills , saving to buy a house couldn't give a shit for anyone else were offered 50 quid as a thank you he would have grabbed the money and run ?
But he didn't, we had another cup of tea and he said it was nice to work for people who were polite , able to make conversation , offered cups of tea etc
He said he enjoyed his job but where I lived was one of the worst areas to work , people here would complain if you were half an hour late , not chat , keep saying how long is this going to take , I have got to get back online now ! , I am paying talktalk, bt, sky, blah blah blah a lot of money .......he works for open reach not talktalk, bt, sky etc ......etc etc , the wealthy areas , the people with money are the worst mate , I go to Cefn glas , Litchard , bryntirion , sarn , nantymoel , Ogmore......Big cardiff city areas , buses run from the oak for away trips.....i enjoy it ......but laleston, st brides , merthyr Mawr Road, corntown, Ewenny, nightmare
So clearly this young working class lad had plenty of help from social services and had a poor upbringing and far from grabbing cash off me he was a decent person who in his spare time helped others as a volunteer lifeguard . There are still some people , thank god , who give a shit about others .
He does , Gareth bale does , but the general point is capitalism is going to have to be stopped as it will leave nothing for anyone one day .
Nothing at all .
And all the money in the world is useless if there is nothing .
I thought you were a socialist but you clearly don't understand
Capitalist society which pays a already immensely rich man 25 million pounds a year in wages whilst people living in the valleys upon whose work and toil cardiff was built sees people dying in the winter because they freeze because of a lack of money is the problem
I thought you would understand that
It could be Billy Hughes from Doncaster getting paid 25 million a year playing for arsenal when someone in a mining village near where he was brought up has to go to a food bank that is the problem
Thats it from me on this thread
Is/was Gladys a City fan? If so I wonder if she’s got any old memorabilia knocking about the attic?
That's a load of baloney wrapped up to sound like something great. It doesn't alter the fact that the vast majority would take anything offered and not give a shit about anyone lese.
It's just that you Sludge, have this knack of meeting the most amazing humble people. Do they all live in your head?
Spreading out the money won't make everyone richer it will just make a lot of people poorer and when no one is paying taxes and the like where will the money come from to support these poor downtrodden masses?
Anyone with money or the intelligence/ nous to make money will just leave the country, just like they did in the 70's! I think it was called the brain drain wasn't it?
If you live in a wealthy area and treat people like crap , if you live in a wealthy area and vote for lower taxes so poorer people and vulnerable people have poor services and you do nothing for the less forunate in the town by say helping out in a food bank or donating to help the aged and sit at home and go on expensive holidays and drive the fastest cars , yet still don't want some of your wealth redistributed then you do not understand what society should be .
There you go again.
If I earn a high wage and live in a wealthy area I should not spend my money on as good car or have a nice holiday even though I have worked hard to be able to do so. Instead I have to give my money to people who don't have any. So why don't I just not bother working my arse of to get richer and wait for someone else to support me.
If Gareth Bale gave all his annual salary away to the poorest 50% of the population they'd get less than £1 a year each!
I follow the ideas of Keynes and the distribution of wealth , its not a perfect model but capitalism is driving inequality further and further into society until there is nothing left
I am a socialist
You are clearly a Conservative or a libertarian
You actually sound like a thatcherite
I am afraid I disagree with everything you say
When the rivers have run dry and the trees have all been chopped down then you will know that you cannot eat money
I'm not a thatcherite not particularly political at all, I just think that you see everything against the utopian world you believe a socialist society would be.
The problem is it doesn't work. never has and never will. Redistribution of wealth doesn't make people richer it just makes some people poorer.
you can look at socialist states all over the world and see that it doesn't work, see the umber of poor people in them, poor beyond anything that the poor in this country could ever imagine. Russia, Azerbaijan Venezuela N Korea china some of the other non-reconstituted ex soviet satellite states. Poor poor people ruled by excessively rich so called guardians of socialism.
There is more corruption in some of these places than you could ever imagine. you have to live there to understand it. A person has to pay someone for every single thing he/she wants and should be able to get from the state, or he/she can't get it. There is a problem with your papers but £20 can make it go away, your son must join the army but £1000 can make him unfit for military service and so on in every single thing you need. That is the nature of a "socialist" state, everyone clambering to get more money than everyone else to lift themselves out of the misery and depravation of their lives. In the 70s and 80s when Russia was buying wheat from the USA they ahd more than enough to feed the nation but it rotted in railway wagons because the farmers couldn't afford to bribe the railway officials to get it attached to a train. socialism, you can stuff it up your arse mate!
The poor people of this country have no idea how bad it could be and neither do you clearly, you just read what you want to be read and believe what you want to believe, but it has no grounding in history or reality.
you think that Russia, China, North Korea are socialist states ? Tell me you are pulling my leg
Democratic socialism underpinned by keynesian economic theory is what I support
Some countries in Europe since the second World War have tried an approach and we had a lot of success in Britain Post war with housing , the NHS , social policy , welfare for those who needed it
You think that Russia , China and North Korea and run on this model ? They don't even get to vote in reality
I dont think you have a clue what democratic socialism is and there is no doubt whatsoever that far from being not political at all you are right wing . Deny it all you want but its like me trying to deny that I read the western mail every morning , even though I know its rubbish .
Democratic socialism is in your head, the reality is never so. I agree some of the things done such a NHS pansions are good but they are only paid for by taxes and if you redistribute the wealth there will be no tax income. Its a myth. Its a very nice rosy picture but it isn't reality and it never will be. you always get centralised control and that leads to corruption. you used a phrase yourself the other day that quite chilled me when you were talking about something else. I forget the exact circumstances but boris had done something and you said words to the effect of "The idot gave them the freedom to make their own minds up. He must be mad" That just about sums up socialism in reality. don't give people the freedom to feck their own lives up, tell them what to do and regulate them. It's like another left wind adherent on here who once said that the people who voted tory were to stupid to vote and shouldn't be allowed to vote. That translates that anyone who doesn't vote for socialism shouldn't be allowed to vote.
A 1 party state. Does that sound familiar?
It always ends badly. There is not one example of it going well.
If you seriously believe people with socialist views in Europe like in the UK, France, Holland, Belgium etc want a one party state and anyone who doesn't agree with them shouldn't be allowed to vote you are confusing fascist communist countries like North korea , communist countries like China and Russia with what every person I know that votes to try and forward a socialist model or many aspects of it ......and thats difficult given whats currently on offer .......
Its so far from a suitable comparison its like saying Tenby is a suburb of Newport