Reply With QuoteI'm sure there are a lot more than 12 cases in London as well.Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
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According to this:-
https://www.citymetric.com/skylines/...s-britain-1404
London has a slightly bigger population than Qingdao - how long would it take for the whole of London to be tested I wonder?
I'm sure there are a lot more than 12 cases in London as well.
as an aside, I fully respect the lengths that guy has gone to to win an argument on Twitter about how big Sheffield is.
Just read it... brilliant! Not going to get into any arguments about populations of cities again.
The short answer to the question is a very long time. I know a lot of faith is being put into test and trace (t&t) and that the existing arrangements are a shambles. The system requires any person with a positive diagnosis to isolate and it seems only around 18% comply and 82% don't.
https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/effective...on-and-support
However, any t&t system requires the population to cooperate and that isn't happening according to the independent statistics. It seems to me that t&t may not be the answer that many people believe although the government could do a lot better to communicate the need to adhere to the requirements.
17,000 plus new cases and 143 deaths today.
Sky news coverage pretty grim this evening. Hospitals almost at capacity in some areas of the north west for ventilators, a lot of people now saying a complete circuit breaker is needed for at least 2 weeks. And people are still meeting up in their houses and social clubs.
Starmer is now calling for a complete circuit breaker for 2-3 weeks. It's about time he woke up but I agree with him and so will the public most probably.
But some of that, as before is catch-up from lower figures at the weekend.
The percentage of people who hold neither the government or the public most responsible is pretty steady overall and then still with Conservative/Labour split but it's range is 9-10% whereas holding public more responsible varies from 29% (Labour voters) to 78% (Conservative voters).Who Britons hold most responsible for the rise in coronavirus cases over the last month:
The public: 53%
The government: 28%
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1315682866974650370
They don't count then?
Perhaps the UK government should have implemented the circuit breaker as advised, by SAGE, a few weeks ago?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...id-second-wave
Following the science.
Exactly! I hardly think it's Starmer who needs to wake up when we've Noddy in Slumberland in Downing Street. Lions led by donkeys springs to mind.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...covid-12103141
Coronavirus excess fatalities: How pandemic is impacting the lives and deaths of those who don't have COVID
Thread: Throughout the pandemic there's been plenty of attention focused on #COVID19 deaths and on what’s happened in hospitals and in care homes - for obvious and understandable reasons. But for months there’s been another phenomenon which I find deeply unsettling.
— Ed Conway (@EdConwaySky) October 13, 2020
Wasn't the first lockdown initially supposed to be for 3 weeks?
NEW: WHO Europe Director, Hans Kluge tells me, no government should enforce another national lockdown unless it is absolutely necessary, a last resort
— Darren McCaffrey (@DarrenEuronews) October 13, 2020
He says damage to other health areas, mental health, domestic violence, schools and cancer treatment is too great pic.twitter.com/jzbh9YbH7z
Steve Reicher has nailed it again.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ve-sage-advice
'In the end the problem is what it has always been. We have a government entirely without a strategy to deal with this pandemic. We have a cabinet entirely without a vision or a strength of purpose, reacting in panic to events as they arise rather than devising the means to get on top of them. And we have a prime minister who craves approval and wants to please everyone, who lacks the strength to face down his backbenchers and ends up with half-measures that help nobody. At a time when we need it most, the country has been saddled with a woeful lack of leadership'.
Obviously they do but for some reason there is always a lag on a sun and monday and then a catch up on tues/wed. It has been so since they began reporting. I've know idea why?
Previous post about Israel made the point that almost impossible to stop virus spreading to vulnerable people so we're at a place where the more people who have the virus the more people who need to go into hospital and the more people who cannot get the treatment they need.https://twitter.com/drphiliplee1/sta...17344932597760
People talk about COVID and delayed cancer care like we're just shutting down because we're too busy for cancer. That's not the case.
The more COVID there is out there the more stretched anaesthetic and ICU teams will be.
During the peaks of March/April we pulled huge numbers of anaesthetists, ODP, theatre staff, to man critical care areas.
Unless you want your colon removed with only a stick to bite on then we need to suppress COVID hard for any elective care to happen.
Additionally chemotherapy, monoclonal antibodies, and immunosuppressive drugs we use in cancer are made more dangerous by COVID. Those with a weakened immune system could die swiftly with an infection.
Suppressing the virus helps everyone needing care.
Hospitals should be open for people with health complaints, and stressing this point as they are doing, rather that filling up because relatively low risk people think vulnerable people should look after themselves.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54527400
Circuit breaker lockdowns are "doomed to failure" and would bring "cost without benefit", according to an expert in communicable diseases.
It's because deaths are not normally registered on the weekends and you have up to 5 days for registration to take place so the numbers always lag the actual days recorded in the statistics. Some deaths on weekends are recorded but mostly they are not. Thus recorded deaths often relate to a high proportion of people who died days earlier meaning the numbers on the weekends are always lower and that all death statistics should be taken as a guideline only to assess trends.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...yside-54535481
An apologist explains that it "only" involved about 300 people; those same 300 can potentially infect 450 others (R = 1.5) who in turn could infect nearly 700 etc etc....Being scousers of course, someone else will be to blame.
not a dig at you but I could probably find a bunch of other experts who say the complete opposite. It's one of the things that make this situation so difficult isn't it
Nine hundred and forty plus cases in Wales with Cardiff having over 200 of them, 160 odd in RCT.
https://public.tableau.com/profile/p...eadlinesummary
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