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I've said it before, no doubt I'll need to say it a million more times. This isn't about democrat V republican. It's the trump thread, not the republican thread.Originally Posted by life on mars
The democrats are not just as bad as trump. Yes they have done corrupt things, no one has ever said they are squeaky clean (although, hilariously, that has been suggested on this thread about trump by one of his uber-fans). Nothing compares with what trump has done which is why so many of his team have been carted off to jail.
Maybe you can go on Google and prove me wrong.
My thoughts exactly, i'd probably be a Democrat if I were American, but there's no way I'd vote for Trump even if he was standing as one - Trump is all about Trump and, as such, it could be claimed that party politics matter little to him. It's the man himself that is the issue - for now, it seems he is going to lose in just over a fortnight, but I find it incredible that there is still uncertainty about this given the last four years.
For years, trump did claim to be a democrat so that's not so far fetched. I think there's very few Brits who don't like him now but would had he done all this for the democrats. It's a ridiculous suggestion that people on this side of the pond are wedded to American parties.
Has a president ever run a campaign to lose? I'm not really sure what else to conclude having seen Trump's behaviour over the last few weeks.
One highlight from last night's town hall. Here he defends retweeting some rubbish conspiracy that Obama killed all the SEALs who did the bin Laden raid to cover up that they'd only killed a body double. His defence is that it's just an opinion and people can decide for themselves if it's true or not. Let's not forget that this man has access to ALL OF THE INTELLIGENCE.
On spreading the conspiracy that Obama had SEAL Team 6 killed.
— Pod Save America (@PodSaveAmerica) October 16, 2020
TRUMP: "That was a retweet! People can decide for themselves!"
GUTHRIE: "You're the president, you're not someone's crazy uncle."
Wild. pic.twitter.com/ClPNgBYe2Z
Here's another retweet that we can make our minds up about.
AAAAHAHAHA. The ****ing idiot has just Tweeted an article from the right-wing Onion satirical news site Babylon Bee. https://t.co/B0uitAMpJR
— Heydon Prowse (@HeydonProwse) October 16, 2020
Who once said, and it was said in humour but it has a serious point, something along the lines like "The Republicans are like our Conservative party and the Democrats are like...er....um.... our Conservative Party"?
He's crazier than any uncle I have had.
Crazier than any president, too.
oh Jesus, have you read the article he's retweeted.
This might be for the benefit of the few on here for whom the penny hasn't dropped. An excerpt from a NY Times editorial.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...president.html
Mr. Trump stands without any real rivals as the worst American president in modern history. In 2016, his bitter account of the nation’s ailments struck a chord with many voters. But the lesson of the last four years is that he cannot solve the nation’s pressing problems because he is the nation’s most pressing problem.
He is a racist demagogue presiding over an increasingly diverse country; an isolationist in an interconnected world; a showman forever boasting about things he has never done, and promising to do things he never will.
He has shown no aptitude for building, but he has managed to do a great deal of damage. He is just the man for knocking things down.
As the world runs out of time to confront climate change, Mr. Trump has denied the need for action, abandoned international cooperation and attacked efforts to limit emissions.
He has mounted a cruel crackdown on both legal and illegal immigration without proposing a sensible policy for determining who should be allowed to come to the United States.
Obsessed with reversing the achievements of his immediate predecessor, Barack Obama, he has sought to persuade both Congress and the courts to get rid of the Affordable Care Act without proposing any substitute policy to provide Americans with access to affordable health care. During the first three years of his administration, the number of Americans without health insurance increased by 2.3 million — a number that has surely grown again as millions of Americans have lost their jobs this year.
He campaigned as a champion of ordinary workers, but he has governed on behalf of the wealthy. He promised an increase in the federal minimum wage and fresh investment in infrastructure; he delivered a round of tax cuts that mostly benefited rich people. He has indiscriminately erased regulations, and answered the prayers of corporations by suspending enforcement of rules he could not easily erase. Under his leadership, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau has stopped trying to protect consumers and the Environmental Protection Agency has stopped trying to protect the environment.
He has strained longstanding alliances while embracing dictators like North Korea’s Kim Jong-un and Russia’s Vladimir Putin, whom Mr. Trump treats with a degree of warmth and deference that defies explanation. He walked away from the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a strategic agreement among China’s neighbors intended to pressure China to conform to international standards. In its place, Mr. Trump has conducted a tit-for-tat trade war, imposing billions of dollars in tariffs — taxes that are actually paid by Americans — without extracting significant concessions from China.
Mr. Trump’s inadequacies as a leader have been on particularly painful display during the coronavirus pandemic. Instead of working to save lives, Mr. Trump has treated the pandemic as a public relations problem. He lied about the danger, challenged the expertise of public health officials and resisted the implementation of necessary precautions; he is still trying to force the resumption of economic activity without bringing the virus under control.
As the economy pancaked, he signed an initial round of aid for Americans who lost their jobs. Then the stock market rebounded and, even though millions remained out of work, Mr. Trump lost interest in their plight.
In September, he declared that the virus “affects virtually nobody” the day before the death toll from the disease in the United States topped 200,000.
Nine days later, Mr. Trump fell ill.
The foundations of American civil society were crumbling before Mr. Trump rode down the escalator of Trump Tower in June 2015 to announce his presidential campaign. But he has intensified the worst tendencies in American politics: Under his leadership, the nation has grown more polarized, more paranoid and meaner.
He has pitted Americans against each other, mastering new broadcast media like Twitter and Facebook to rally his supporters around a virtual bonfire of grievances and to flood the public square with lies, disinformation and propaganda. He is relentless in his denigration of opponents and reluctant to condemn violence by those he regards as allies. At the first presidential debate in September, Mr. Trump was asked to condemn white supremacists. He responded by instructing one violent gang, the Proud Boys, to “stand back and stand by.”
He has undermined faith in government as a vehicle for mediating differences and arriving at compromises. He demands absolute loyalty from government officials, without regard to the public interest. He is openly contemptuous of expertise.
And he has mounted an assault on the rule of law, wielding his authority as an instrument to secure his own power and to punish political opponents. In June, his administration tear-gassed and cleared peaceful protesters from a street in front of the White House so Mr. Trump could pose with a book he does not read in front of a church he does not attend.
The full scope of his misconduct may take decades to come to light. But what is already known is sufficiently shocking:
He has resisted lawful oversight by the other branches of the federal government. The administration routinely defies court orders, and Mr. Trump has repeatedly directed administration officials not to testify before Congress or to provide documents, notably including Mr. Trump’s tax returns.
With the help of Attorney General William Barr, he has shielded loyal aides from justice. In May, the Justice Department said it would drop the prosecution of Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser Michael Flynn even though Mr. Flynn had pleaded guilty to lying to the F.B.I. In July, Mr. Trump commuted the sentence of another former aide, Roger Stone, who was convicted of obstructing a federal investigation of Mr. Trump’s 2016 election campaign. Senator Mitt Romney, Republican of Utah, rightly condemned the commutation as an act of “unprecedented, historic corruption.”
Last year, Mr. Trump pressured the Ukrainian government to announce an investigation of his main political rival, Joe Biden, and then directed administration officials to obstruct a congressional inquiry of his actions. In December 2019, the House of Representatives voted to impeach Mr. Trump for high crimes and misdemeanors. But Senate Republicans, excepting Mr. Romney, voted to acquit the president, ignoring Mr. Trump’s corruption to press ahead with the project of filling the benches of the federal judiciary with young, conservative lawyers as a firewall against majority rule.
Now, with other Republican leaders, Mr. Trump is mounting an aggressive campaign to reduce the number of Americans who vote and the number of ballots that are counted.
The president, who has long spread baseless charges of widespread voter fraud, has intensified his rhetorical attacks in recent months, especially on ballots submitted by mail. “The Nov 3rd Election result may NEVER BE ACCURATELY DETERMINED,” he tweeted. The president himself has voted by mail, and there is no evidence to support his claims. But the disinformation campaign serves as a rationale for purging voter rolls, closing polling places, tossing absentee ballots and otherwise impeding Americans from exercising the right to vote.
It is an intolerable assault on the very foundations of the American experiment in government by the people.
Other modern presidents have behaved illegally or made catastrophic decisions. Richard Nixon used the power of the state against his political opponents. Ronald Reagan ignored the spread of AIDS. Bill Clinton was impeached for lying and obstruction of justice. George W. Bush took the nation to war under false pretenses.
Mr. Trump has outstripped decades of presidential wrongdoing in a single term.
Mr Biden , dodgy ,don't be so silly he's a shining light of a free loving USA, The media are already suppressing it, they need Trump's scalp first. Biden wins , then steps down due to ill health , Harris becomes POTUS ??
Nah peas of the same dodgy pod .
Hillary's invited Ghislaine Maxwell to her own daughters wedding , was very friendly with Epstein as was Bill the frequent flyer to the island of mystery.
Money, power, influence talks all morally bankrupt, its just the Trump hunting season at the moment, Bill and Hillary are tainted in scandal, if you research it hard enough, you will find it .
Folk's preoccupation with Trump is admiral however there is plenty of disgusting behaviour going on in America's politics and history way before and beyond Trump .
Democrats have had decades to sort racism through many of thier administrations, did they , nah , they could not give a flying duck about the issue , other than say the right things come election time 😉
Bidens involved in corruption, nah that's just conspiracy 😜
They all are .
I'm just surprised the devoted left can't see beyond thier single minded obsession with Trump .
https://filmdaily.co/news/jeffrey-ep...ange-painting/
First picture is fascinating and its not Trump
What's the corruption allegation exactly as you understand it?
Wait for more emails 😜
When was the last contribution you made that didn't have wait, two weeks, you can't stop what's coming or next year Rodney we'll be millionaires out of interest?
Jonathan Turley was a participant in the defence for Trump's impeachment trial. That aside, there are just over 3 weeks to the election date. Trump has around 40% of the US electorate in the bag. A good proportion of which love this Hilary, Hunter, Crossfire Hurricane, Steele, Mueller, Qanon, Guiliani stuff that spews out from media channels and the drivel you snort.
The problem seems to be that for most US voters what Hunter snorts and even if the mails that Rudi and the indicted Bannon were legit, seem less important to Americans than the best way to get out of the Covid mess that Trump has hugely contributed to and protecting and enhancing their wealth in the future.
The 2016 playbook of nasty Hillary and those e-mails seems to be dodgy Hunter in 2020. Good if you are an outsider but after 3 1/2 years of Trump surely he needs to play to a wider audience with a more sophisticated message than they are still out to get me....me....me if he is going to shift about 10pc of the electorate in his favour.
Still Q etc!
Although I'd say both sets of figures are pretty pathetic given the population of America, I love this story - Trump must be spitting feathers
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...non-tv-ratings
Aw, be fair, the sensational events of 26 September must have made you change your mind surely?
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