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Just seeing what appetite there is on this board for moving towards full independence.
I think the ineptness of the Tories,
Just seeing what appetite there is on this board for moving towards full independence.
I think the ineptness of the Tories, the arogance & corruption of Westminster and the London-centric / English biased media (including the left-wing media), has made it easier to believe we would be better off on our own.
I'm under no illusions that it will be difficult and we have a long way to go, but has anyone else shifted towards independence recently?
Funniest post ever. You have also started another post with the same subject that was even more ill conceived.
I'd seriously consider it.
Same here. I've thought the same since Brexit and I realised that Wales has such little power in Westminster, we're partly governed by people who know little about the country.Originally Posted by Rjk
Did I?
Lol, well there you go. Too busy.
However, I have seen more and more social media movement recently and I wondered if people are changing their mind. That's all.
Have always wanted it and always will.
1. 0.3% of the Welsh population are members of YesCymru
2. After Northern Ireland, Wales receives the most per capita under the Barnett settlement
3. Wales has the best representation of MPs per capita of all the 4 home nations
Wales doesn't do too bad being part of the union.
Would love to be proved wrong but I just can't see how Wales can stand on its own financially as an independent nation.
One thing's for sure though the Tories won't come close to matching the level of regional EU funding that's been given to Wales over the years so perhaps it's better to be dirt poor and standing on our feet than dirt poor and on our knees ?
I fully support it. Similar size countries thrive, why can’t we?
Doesn't that also mean that after Scotland Wales receives the least per capita ?
what about England?
are these similar sized countries economies so intertwined with a G8 nation that its impossible to differentiate one from the other?
Sorry. Bit of an overreaction on my part. But economically Wales couldn't possibly support itself. There is little industry and a lot of social deprivation requiring support from the State. And those who pay tax will probably have to pay double to support the rest and, if businesses are taxed higher than England, they will simply leave. Even when Labour has been in power nationally Wales has been ignored and their voters taken for granted. While a Wales only government would have power they wouldn't have the cash to do very much. Wales does not even have a currency so in the unlikely event permission is given for the pound to be used, the UK government would have to control spending. Wales could never be wholly independent ever.
No
No.
Drakeford and his cronies couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery.
Topical ironic.
Yes.
Westminster the political equivalent of Liverpool and Man United.
I feel like I'm closer to voting for Welsh independence than I've ever been in my life, but, if there was a vote on it today, I would still be against it on balance - the thought of a long spell under the rule of a Government as inept as Johnson's is proving to be could well make me change my opinion pretty soon mind.
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To this I would add the amount of European money that was meant for Wales but which we never saw a penny of decided by both Labour and Tory governments. Wales cannot trust either of them
Wales may have some chance of existing if it could remain n the European Union but it could never prosper because as noted it isn’t economically viable and n my opinion Wales does not possess enough intelligent people in politics who are clever enough to manage such a transition successfully.
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I see mostly downsides, well probably only downsides. I'd be one of the first to flee over the border if the Assembly ever had full control.
They are valid arguments and if Welsh independence is ever to be a reality will need to be addressed, if they can.
The intention of my post wasn't to try and convert anyone, just to see what people thought.
That's a pretty decent membership for a group like Yes Cymru, considering the low levels of political participation in the UK. For instance only about 0.2% of the population are members of the Conservative Party so to have 0.3% for a relatively new group about a traditionally fringe movement is pretty good going
So if there was a vote in the house that all Welsh MPs wanted but English MPs didn't, who would win and would you be happy with this?
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