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[QUOTE=Rjk;5128731]I don't disagree with any of this, although I do admire your optimism in believing Welsh Labour AMs would vote to change what is clearly a gravy train where they get paid for delivering very little if anything at all. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas.
That's exactly why I started the thread.
It's one of the most important questions and debates for Wales in the modern era.
And as you can see from this thread, people have strong and astute opinions, on both sides of the argument, and these conversations need to continue and be mainstreamed in Wales.
Unlike the Brexit debate, this thread has already shown that people care desperately and want a proper debate, not just soundbites, slogans and bullshit like the brexit debacle.
I'm loving reading the thread.
I'm enjoying reading this thread, it's stayed on point the entire way through.
I would be really interested in doing a poll along the lines of 'would you vote for independence if there was a poll tomorrow' on the main board. I'm sure it would be generally be moved to the politics board but I would love to see a general consensus. Not sure if it is something that we could do? The tide seems to have definitely turned in the past 6 months with Brexit and Covid, there is a strong points to be made.
If independence happens then the League of Wales may be boosted by 4 more teams.
Are ‘Yes Cymru’ advocating the burning of holiday homes?
If so, we can resurrect the terrace ditty sang in the 80s although with us all being more politically correct and touchy, freely, sensitive we need to change some of the lyrics.
decent of the board to already have a smiley for the future campaign too.
YesCymru memberships over 12,000 now.... incredibly up over 3000 in the past 48-72 hours!
The chancellor extending the furlough scheme for Boris after telling the Welsh Gov that it wasn't possible for technical reasons has really annoyed people.
Let's speculate for a moment and imagine there was Welsh independence. Do the Yes Cymru supporters imagine in their wildest dreams that there would be a furlough scheme introduced by a Welsh Government? They simply wouldn't have the borrowing powers or the money to cope with a pandemic.
Of course Welsh people were annoyed that there couldn't be a Welsh only furlough scheme but they would be even more annoyed if English workers were getting 80% of their wages paid while Welsh workers would get less, or more likely nothing.
A few years ago I wouldn't have entertained it but with Rail Electrification, Tidal Power, Air Passenger Duty, Furlough scheme and proposed internal market bill decisions all made in Westminster to the detriment of Wales I would vote for independence. We could focus on Green and Medical technology to increase our wealth whilst focusing on the abundance on Natural Renewable Resources (of which England gets access to very cheaply).