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I suspect they didn't get much in the way of notice to start rearranging their whole set-up. And why bother for a fortnight?Originally Posted by Rjk
Makes as much sense to me as anything else, if not more. Drakeford and Co seem determined to do their own thing, regardless of how much sense (or otherwise) is involved.you reckon that's why they're doing it-just to differentiate between Boris and co?
To suggest the Welsh government is taking these measures to get one over on Westminster is laughable nonsense
Some people just like to whinge
Its two weeks
Its a pain in the arse but its two weeks
.and 3 weekends
Well now you mention it.and 3 weekends
Thank God we're not living through another World War. Could you imagine some of these snowflakes putting up with rationing and blackouts?
Ah, the old 'war' analogy. It's been a while.
I detect some competitiveness between Westminster and the devolved administrations which is natural , as we are approaching elections, like 3 tier Boris v 5 tier Nicola ,na,na,na,na, i got more tiers than you oooo, is Andy of Manch land up for election soon ??
Mobile phones , amazon , online shopping , the Internet , sky TV
I don't know how some people survive today , poor things
I have no idea
Monmouth losing trade to Ross on Wye, Chepstow losing trade to Lydney.
On the plus side, Boris is happy to send Covid carriers to Wales despite WG requests.
I've just read the Technical Advisory Group's advice paper to the WAG. It's only 13 pages, not that complicated, and some of the conclusions are very interesting.
A key paragraph: "Behavioural insights show that many measures will only work if the public are engaged, agree and understand that Covid-19 is a serious health threat that must be managed; there should be a clear, simple set of rules and messages with achievable actions and goals. Messages and rules should be fair and applicable to all, and should reinforce why people are being asked to make significant sacrifices."
As regards non-essential retailers, the conclusion is: "Very minimal impact on Rt values. Some limited evidence of transmission from China. Short duration and ability to distance in most settings and face coverings are likely to mitigate well."
The advice paper seems to suggest that closing non-essential retailers would have a negligible impact on the transmission rate, but the shops were closed all the same and the WAG took things a step further by attempting to block non-essential items from being sold in supermarkets. If my understanding of the paper is correct, they certainly weren't 'following the science' on this occasion.
https://gov.wales/sites/default/file...e-breaks_2.pdf
But the reasons given weren't scientific.
Reasons given by who? And what were those reasons?
Reasons given by WG.
Stopping smaller shops being disadvantaged by supermarkets having more of a share of the market.
Are we really back to this stage?
Statement from the WAG this evening regarding their policy on non-essential items in supermarkets:
"We continue to work closely with the sector and would stress that these restrictions are in place to stop the spread of coronavirus and save lives."
And hopefully lowering the incidence of Covid
One for the pedant who has a grudge against it.
I don't even know what that means.
I confuse myself regularly, so I'm happily accepting that I'm 1-0 down on that one.
I think I'm referring to someone who has their bee in a bonnet about something so they don't like, so look for any minor loophole, difference, whatever, to put down the thing they don't like, but by doing so, they intentionally miss the bigger picture.
Right. Very good. But if you read the guide note, it's crystal clear that the advice to the WAG was that there needs to be a clear, simple set of rules and messages with achievable actions and goals. In order for it to be effective, the WAG badly needed to get the public onboard with this firebreak lockdown, but I believe they've made a complete pig's ear of doing that. Instead, they've actually done the opposite of what was needed in that regard - they've confused people and pissed a lot of people off rather than engage the public.
To me, that is the bigger picture.
I think backing down over being able to buy tea lights and new crockery for the next 2 weeks would hav had a much more damaging effect on the public's adherence to the lockdown
I couldn't agree more that WG have made a total bollocks of this issue and fully agree with your post.
However, someone of limited intelligence like me knows the basics of people not mixing when they're not allowed to (and acknowledging any regulations that discourage that etc). Keep distancing if you are among other people. A mask might not be particularly effective, but even if it is 0.0001% effective, it has to be worth wearing, if not for my own benefit, but for the benefit of others who won't approve of my bad breath.
I feel we're now in the splitting hairs over poor government advice zone. All UK countries are not covering themselves in glory here, but I feel it's being played out to divide people against each other. My feeling on social media is that people are as split on what to do about Covid as they were about Brexit.
Governments balls things up regularly. They get things wrong. Mistakes happen, especially if advice changes. I couldn't imagine what WW2 would have been like if we had social media. Then there was a general unquestioning acceptance of how things were. Now plenty of people don't care for the opinion of experts.
We're in unprecedented times. I don't blame any of our governments for getting some things wrong during this pandemic, where the logic and advice argues for something. The lack of acceptance for what they say is alarming and points to other issues.
Agreed, There's this perception of him as a weak dithering man in the same way corbyn was portrayed, albeit on a much smaller scale. Some of the people moaning about the current situation would've called him out for changing his mind. I really do believe that because people are pissed off with this charade and they can't do what they'd like to do, they're picking a fight. I have a teenager (like many other people) who has acted impeccably during this pandemic. They're the ones getting the shit end of the stick, they can't claw back their education and teenage years, yet it doesn't seem to be them that are whinging. Which generation are the real snowflakes, i wonder?
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