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9th of October: Scotland puts its central belt into much harder restrictionsFurlough is crucial for businesses. But @RishiSunak said he wouldn’t extend it in Wales when we asked. He also said no when we asked him to bring forward the Job Support Scheme to help businesses – we even said we’d pay the difference. It’s now clear he could have said yes.
16th of October: Northern Ireland circuit breaker for four weeks
23rd of October: Wales' circuit breaker for two weeks
5th of November: England's circuit break for one month
When you consider Ireland has done it's own version for six weeks starting at a similar time to Wales it appears that two weeks as late as we did is a much shorter period of time. I can't help but wonder if the Senedd wanted to do it for longer and was stopped by having no information, not even what Tier 3 extra support would mean for devolved nations, on increase in funding to help protect businesses? This short response will only work as well as desired if people are strict about their own behaviour.
Its not just Wales Sunak wouldnt pay the 80% until this U turn.
yep the north of England weren't getting it either, only when London and the south East were in lockdown did.Originally Posted by Hilts
this has been noticed.
Gove has just said the England lockdown could continue past 2/12.
Surely it's the progression of the virus that determines when the lockdown should end and not some arbitrary end date?
The ons have recorded 61k death certificates mentioning covid. Additionally how many hundreds also died of covid in Welsh care homes during the first phase that didnt get tested and subsequently had an inaccurate cause registered on the death certificate.
This was a big thing at the time in Aneurin Bevan. I remember the manager of one in Newport saying she lost 15 residents in a fortnight. None had been tested positive, so the doctor refused to specify covid ascause of death.
We'll never know the true total, we do thou know the official party line figure announced daily is horse shit.
Theyve delayed this for too long and not taking action sooner and initially saying there would be no national lockdown including Gove 2 weeks ago and Raab on Friday then yeah though the businesses having no certainty about re-opening particularly at such a busy time of year may not agree.
But the opposite is also true. Because Covid is a "Reportable disease" if it is suspected to be present he has to put it on the death certificate, even if the person was suffering from terminal cancer. Its a no win situation.
On the flip side lots of terminal cancer patients, many of whom only had weeks to live, were given Covid as cause of death. Any old infection would have done it probably. The “with Covid” certification is a load of cobblers
It will still be here in 2 weeks, a month, 3 months and probably next year......we just need to learn to live with it better, adhere to the rules etc....people are still mixing households which is the main issue.
Fair point.
Didn't happen here thou for what ever reason or motive, not in my health board anyway, were certifying gp's acting on instruction from the corona? That's the suspicion. We wont know for sure until if and when a full investigation of practices during the pandemic is carried out.
I agree with this. I reckon the Excess Deaths figures are comfortably the best indicator of the effect of Covid-19.
There have been periods during 2020 when the overall number of deaths in the UK has been below the five-year average. That was the case as recently as early-September. However, the figures for April and May were massively above average and they are definitely on the rise again.
Funny how these Tory MPs wives also happen to be experts in virus control isn't it - uniquely for me, I tend to side with the Michael Gove view of experts in this case.
Given her background, I tend to take those comments with a pinch of salt, but if it were to be true that a vaccine was available to over 50s in less than six months time, you'd like to think that there would be something for the most vulnerable by March or even February.
Your comment doesn't answer the question. I will ask again. Should the lockdown end at an arbitrary date or should the end date be determined by progression of the virus? All your post does is snipe as usual and doesn't answer the quote to which you have referred.
I'm not bothered whether you reply or not but if you quote my post you could at least give an answer that relates to the question asked.
You're right, when someone with terminal cancer got Covid and died they should specify "any old infection would have done it probably" on the death certificate
When i said then yeah. I mean yes.
I see the Tory right wing are bellyaching en masse at the latest decision to lockdown England. The well known prick of the highest order IDS is spitting feathers and apparently this was before Gove made his comment on Sophie Ridge that the lockdown may not end on December 2nd.
I wholeheartedly agree with you that it is wrong to give an end date for any of these measures. I can understand the desire for people and businesses to have specific dates to plan things but the very nature of the disease makes it difficult to forecast it's trajectory with any degree of certainty. The honest answer would be "we have a criterion (the R number for example) and when that is reduced to a specific number we shall withdraw the restrictions".
Anything else is just tokenism so as to keep different factions happy. The enemy is the virus and we should all tackle it in unison and not fight among ourselves.
Hasn't that criticism also been levelled at the flu figures you've been quoting?
I read somewhere that in 93% of deaths with Covid on the death certificate it is considered the main underlying underlying cause. Which is far higher than deaths recorded and published as 'associated with flu'. Tbh, I can't remember where I read that but it stuck in my mind.
And it could just even out as August was well below average. As sad as it always is, people are always going to die of something, sometimes out if the blue, sepsis will be even bigger in the next few years as antibiotics have become overused. Suicides being the biggest killer of men under 45 and you know it’s going to get a lot worse if we don’t get in top of this virus soon.
Exactly what happened to my old man with liver cancer....infection after infection....then pneumonia for the final nail. Don’t think they put another infection down, think it was that cancer thing.
it has a lot of evening out to do, it would take something remarkable to come out the same as an average year
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps
Sure, the tories saw off at least 20,000 by sending them from hospital into the care homes, wouldn’t surprise me if many would have chugged on for a few more years.
No sure where you got that notion from, but it's way off the mark. The latest figures released by the ONS (up to and including mid-October) state that 484,206 deaths have been registered in the UK so far this year, which is 55,092 more than the five-year average.
The figures for August were either almost bang on or slightly above the five-year average.
Was it July then? Saw it in some graph out of the billions thrust upon us, so forgive me if not right. If you think about it, so many died in April and May who might well have gone later on, so fewer deaths in the month’s thereafter makes sense.
No, there’s only been a couple of weeks where the number of deaths has been significantly below the five-year average. None in July or August.
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