Reply With QuoteThis Moderna vaccine wouldnt be available to the UK until the Spring at the earliest.
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Of course Pfizer realised there was an issue with storage which is why in parallel they devised a Pfizer cold box container to transport it at the correct temperature. The fact that it can be refrigerated for up to 5 days before use makes it manageable for mass vaccination. The specialist pharmaceutical logistic companies can handle both. I don't see that being able to store in a fridge for a month is much better than 5 days in practice.. The fridges used, say in a surgery, are not like your domestic one, they are specialist scientific ones with calibrated temperature control, usually quite small.Originally Posted by Rjk
This Moderna vaccine wouldnt be available to the UK until the Spring at the earliest.
Clearly this second vaccine would be more convenient in practice than the Pfizer one.
Weren't you the same guy a week or so ago who was severely criticizing Mark Drakeford for not immediately investing in loads of infrastructure to deliver the vaccines at -70C , then there were people involved in the cold delivery logistics type company saying that that would be a huge challenge as the capacity would be massively exceeded.
Something that would last for 6 months in a normal freezer and 1 month in a normal fridge would clearly be much easier to manage a large scale roll out.
VHS vs Betamax.... but who'll be which
A combination of encouraging news and not so encouraging news in Vaughan Gething's press briefing today as covered by the BBC's rolling news;-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-wales-54958901
yes I was critical of Mark Drakeford. At the time none of us knew that Pfizer had addressed the transportation issue, nor that it was stable for 5 days in a fridge ( not a 'normal fridge' but a specific clinical standard fridge, as the others would be as well). In practice the Pfizer one should not be an issue for us in UK.
I think other vaccines that appear more stable might be better deployed to warmer countries or those parts of the world where 'cold chain' transport might be more difficult
Any how the Moderna vaccine is unlikely to be available in UK anytime soon as we in UK haven't ordered so the Pfizer one may have to do
Exactly, five days is plenty....
The AZ/Oxford vaccine would be the best news for us, if that has a similar efficiency we will be sorted quite quickly. Results before the end of the month on that one I hope.
Isn't it more to do with the pfizer one needing to be stored at a much lower temperature than this one and the AZ one?
5 days probably means you have to do weekly deliveries everywhere that the vaccine needs to get to, as most won't have the capability to store at -70
A month at "fridge" temperatures means you can store more at each location and only deliver every few weeks, it makes the logistics much easier doesn't it?
I do not think there will be any vaccine around to be stored for any period of time at a location. As soon as in stock it'll be given to people.
Pharmaceutical logistics are very comprehensive in UK, most community pharmacists can get 4 deliveries a day.
Yeah perhaps it is't as challenging as was being made out on the radio last week.
It is likely to be on a much bigger scale than the regular things they do though, with millions of vaccines needing to go out in as short a time as possible, all while continuing to do all the other medicines they currently do as well.
None o this in insurmountable though, I agree.
don't forget V2000!!VHS vs Betamax.... but who'll be which
VHS vs Betamax.... but who'll be which
It might be a LaserDisc for all we know....
I don't know what that means, but surely its a possibility.
5 million Moderna vaccines ordered by the UK Government.
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/13...092659712?s=19
Its all good news in my opinion ,especially for health / care workers , the vulnerable and the mental health of so many thousands .
Good innit! Feeling very blue skies about the future at the moment, vaccines coming, Biden winning, Tories falling apart, - I'm almost glad we look like doing a bit shit this year in the league - go up in style in 22 with fans present.
All I want is for the virus gone or managed the rest is not important ,people are losing loved ones
Not the same year.All this talk of corona Christmas on the news, I’m absolutely buzzing at the fact we won’t be seeing the in laws for the first time in 10 years, no travelling, just me the wife and kids....if there was ever a silver lining this is surely it. Anyone else in the same heartbreaking predicament?
We have seen my father in law who is in a mental health care home twice since March.
It's a f*cking disaster.He's 82 this year.Time is not our side.
Quite right, I think we can all agree on that , although the reason we want ourselves and our loved ones to be around is to enjoy special times together surely - and I can't wait.. will be taking far greater pleasure in sharing those moments and occasions with both family, friends and 30,000 odd Cardiff fans in the future given this years disaster.
I hate to break this to you, but people are always losing loved ones.
You also went after Keir Starmer for advocating a national lockdown in England long before it happened, advocated the Barrington Declaration on targeted herd immunity and promoted the petition advocating greater access for people to wander the non-essential aisles of Welsh supermarkets.
If you are confused guess how the rest of us feel.
i hate to break this to you but suffocating to death is hopefully not the preffered choice for your loved ones to pass
I hate to break this to you, but I don't have a preferred way for my loved ones to pass. I'd prefer they didn't pass at all. But as I know through painful experience, pass they will.
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