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Efficacy has been put at 62% and I've not come across anyone directly contesting that figure yet, the issue is with whether the 90% claim extends to over 55s and, for the moment, there's no way of knowing that.Originally Posted by Rjk
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From what I've read it was all blown out of proportion by 1 (one) journo opining bthat the US drug agency probably wouldn't approve it.
Lets be fair, do we care if they do or not if it works.
It is far better suited to treating the poor of the world than something that needs -70C to survive.
The USA can do waht they like!
Efficacy has been put at 62% and I've not come across anyone directly contesting that figure yet, the issue is with whether the 90% claim extends to over 55s and, for the moment, there's no way of knowing that.
It is unfortunate that the half dose followed by a full dose regimen turned out to be the result of a mistake, even if it was serendipity that it seems to be more efficient than two full doses! For me that immediately casts doubt over the whole trial which is a shame. If they will now have to repeat a full scale Phase 3 study with more elderly volunteers included then that is going to cause quite a delay.
Obviously the Yanks will make a meal of this as they are the greatest/best at everything.
You believe want the yanks are saying? They desperately want there £20 a shot one to be the one the world wants, at less than a fifth of the cost the Oxford one presents a massive threat to that. If they can achieve 90% with a lesser dose also then happy days.....
Was the half dose a mistake? I thought it was part of the trial?
Even if it had a reliability of 60% it would still be good enough to make everything go back to normal. The two vaccines coming out with the 90%+ made everyone go a bit mad I think. Of course it'll be better if the different doses do give it a better efficiency but as long as it is safe and over 50% efficiency I'm sure it'll get approved at least in the UK and EU.
DRAKEFORD OUT!!!!
Most people seem to be overlooking that even 62% efficacy means that 62% will have immunity to Covid and the remaining 38% will have a milder disease.
None of the people vaccinated in the trails required hospital treatment.
Also something that really annoys me is the comparison to the flu jab. The reason the flu jab is 60% effective is that they predict which multiple strains of flu will be prevalent that year and adjust the jab accordingly. The Covid vaccine is targeting one single strain.
Good points
What’s he done now? Have I got to buy a meal now when I go to the pub?
Exactly people get lost in the headlines. To get this type of vaccine which is safe and efficient approved in under a year in unbelievable. Get it to people who are in positions where they get high viral loads and people who are at risk of dying first and we can start unlocking a bit. We are so close now, another few months and we will be almost there.
The over 85s have a 12% mortality rate if this is even reduced by half it would be tens of thousands of lives saved.
Typical....just arrange a pub visit with some mates, first time I’ve booked or been out with them since February and now he’s thinking of closing pubs to.....”save Christmas”....What’s he done now? Have I got to buy a meal now when I go to the pub?
An admission the Firebreak lockdown wasn't long enough?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55102867
R rate down to between 0-9 and 1 in the UK, but the rate in Wales is reported as being up to 1.4.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55105285
Local restrictions should be used where its high like b gwent
Apparently a pasty and chips qualifies as a substantial meal, so that shouldn't break the bank.What’s he done now? Have I got to buy a meal now when I go to the pub?
People to start receiving the vaccine in England in ten days time according to this.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ne-rollout-nhs
Interesting that the Guardian says NHS staff will be given the vaccine first. Then over 80s and social care staff.
There are 1.4 m people working for NHS, 1.6 m working for social care and 3.2m age 80 and over. With 2 jabs needed that's our first batch of 10m accounted for.
Eat slowly because apparently you have to leave once you have finished your meal. No hanging around for a second pint.
GP practice managers in Cardiff getting ready for it too
1.4 million work for the NHS? Crikey.....wouldn’t they just do the oldies first?
I doubt whether all NHS staff will be first in the queue. There are many admin staff, for example, who don't work anywhere near the hospitals and many others who work nowhere near the COVID wards which are usually in separate areas and even different buildings to the main hospital. Isolating COVID patients from the rest of the hospital (in red zones) is usually well done so it would make no sense for all NHS staff to receive priority over the over 80s. Of course those on the front line should receive absolute priority but, as for the rest, I'm doubtful whether they will qualify to receive the jab in the first wave.
Justmy opinion of course. Worth nothing.
Book another pasty and take a doggy bag. Pasty's all week for tea.
I see one brewery have turned out a beer called "Substantial Meal"
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