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Daily Telegraph and Guardian are saying that NHS staff will come first. Seems odd as in the past the Government has always followed the science, which says elderly and vulnerable should be first.
NHS now has all the PPE it needs, has Nightingale hospitals, generally has young and healthy staff. Yet NHS staff will be offered the vaccine first.
This means they will be able to handle all the elderly that are admitted to hospital because they haven't been vaccinated.
NHS staff working on the front line, such as my son, should receive priority because if they caught the virus and went sick there would be fewer staff to treat the patients. NHS admin staff dealing with pensions and other admin duties in separate buildings should receive lower priority than front line staff. That was the point made in my earlier post (which you quoted).
Also the disease gets worse with the higher viral load, no one is getting a higher viral load than NHS staff.
Being young and healthy isn’t the important if you’re getting a shit ton of the virus.
Point is that your son working on the front line has the benefit of all the PPE etc that the NHS has. OK he may catch it despite all the protective equipment, and be off work for a while, but is unlikely to be seriously ill. However, an 80 year old will not have the level of protection your son has and may not survive.
If we vaccinated the age groups that are currently filling hospital beds professionals like your son would finally find that they have breathing space.
A member of my family works on 'the front line' at UHW. Everything they do in the clinical setting is with the correct amount of protection, rigorous cleaning both personal and surroundings, regular monitoring and testing of staff etc.
Yet despite all this she caught it, not from the hospital, but from her daughter catching it in school.
Im what is generally referred to as elderly and my good lady is elderly and vulnerable. You mention shielding, we tried it in March when the outbreak started. We would have starved if we'd depended solely on supermarket deliveries. We just get on with life and have given up on house parties and raves.
And Im not hinting that I should be front of the queue for a vaccine, but to offer it to NHS staff first, for what appears to be logistical reasons ( the need for 'vaccine hubs') seems stupid when we all know that the people filling hospital beds and putting pressure on the NHS are 60years plus and they should be sorted first
So we seem to agree that NHS staff not on the front line such as Admin staff shouldn't receive priority. Where we differ is that I think staff on the front line should receive priority and you think the elderly should be first in the queue. The elderly had the opportunity to prevent getting the virus whereas health professionals working on the front line are required to do their job. They have no choice. Additionally the NHS has a duty of care particularly to their front line staff. We are not going to agree.
I think it’s a logistical thing too the first vaccine is the Pfizer one that can only be moved safely a couple of times and has to be stored at a lower temperature so it makes sense to give it to people already in the hospitals.
I imagine the Oxford one will be one or two weeks behind and that’ll be given to care homes and over 80s.
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looks like cases are starting to creep back up. the lockdown did stop the very fast rise initially, but it's stubbornly refused to drop any further, and looks like it is creeping back up already.
will they be able to wait until after Xmas for lockdown 3.0?
They could easily give front line staff on the covid wards the jab aswell as oldies, surely that would be a good outcome? Less people severely ill needing long term care in hospital and less staff off....
They’ll be getting it once the other is approved, this is why they’re getting it first:
I think sometimes we have to accept that logistic and medical experts know more than us.Only NHS staff will be inoculated at first, with care home residents and vulnerable over-80s having to wait.
It comes as experts believe the Pfizer vaccine should be moved no more than four times because it risks becoming ineffective - making it difficult to transport to care homes.
By the time it reaches UK hospitals, it will have been moved twice - from the Pfizer production plant in Belgium to storage hubs in Britain and from there, to hospitals.
And I think a few NHS workers have died of covid recently, PPE doesn’t make you immune to it.
Back up to around the level it was pre firebreak today (1,400plus), but there were the highest number of tests yesterday that I've seen since I started checking the Welsh figures everyday, so that explains it to some extent - the firebreak seems to have done more harm than good in Blaenau Gwent (over 400 today), while the Rhondda and Merthyr board figures are heading upwards again.
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It's awful that there have been any deaths. However I guess most of those you mention occurred in the March-May period when PPE was in short supply, when doctors were learning how to handle the disease, and because so many people were being admitted into hospital. During the summer months UK death rates from Covid dipped considerably.
In Uk up to end October over 55000 people died of Covid and 50,000 of those were age over 65. So the point Ive been trying to make is that the old need protection first.
In England the NHS say that they will cover NHS staff first, which is what we have been arguing over. The experts from the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation say that care home staff and residents should be first, followed by those over 80 and front line NHS staff.
Northern Ireland have announced their programme and it follows the Joint Committee recommendations.
Wales has yet to say what it intends to do.
Popped out earlier this evening to pick up some food and drove passed one of the local pubs, there were about 7or8 dickheads crammed into the doorway having a smoke literally shoulder to shoulder. No wonder it’s rising again, these people (quite a lot actually) just cannot social distance or give two fcuks about anything but themselves.