Vaccine rollout in wales

[LeningradCowboy]

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Briefly popping back in with a more cheerful thought. If we've vaccinated a million 80+ year olds, 60% of whom would be infected in an unmitigated epidemic, if the first jab gives 80% protection, given an IFR of 10% in that age group we've just saved 48,000 lives.

Moar plz.

— Oliver Johnson (@BristOliver) January 10, 2021

Drakeford is a fool for saying "this is not a sprint".

[lisvaneblue]

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I think the poor performance of Wales so far has something to do with the fact that up to now only the Pfizer jab has been available and there simply are insufficient refrigeration facilities in Wales to hold this vaccine in the required quantities. However, with the Oxford vaccine coming on stream, the shortage of refrigeration should not be an issue.

One possible drawback in Wales is that they do not appear to be using the army to work with the NHS to plan the logistics. I could be wrong there but the Brigadier in charge of logistics at a recent Press Conference deliberately made the point that he was working only with authorities in England.

The Pfizer jab is a bit quirky regarding distribution but should not be a problem. In Wales -70c storage means the vaccine is held in two sites, I know not where. From there the vaccine can be moved around for up to 5 days at fridge temperature. It comes as a frozen powder a vial containing five doses. Once the powder has thawed it needs to diluted. So far nothing too difficult. Once diluted the 5 dose vial must be used within 6 hours. With dilution it must not be vigourously agitated, but must gently rotated to get the powder dissolved. Once in liquid form it cannot be transported by a motor vehicle ( because the transport might cause agitation)....so in effect it should be diluted at the place it is going to be used, like say a nursing/ care home.
In practice a team should be able to move into a nursing home/ village hall etc. and get going. With a bit of forward planning it should not be a problem.

[lisvaneblue]

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I was referring to Drakeford’s “this is not a sprint” remark, but “this is not a competition” is not too different and suggests a pre agreed response to a certain line of questioning It just strikes me as flippant and very ill advised.

And it's not just the lives at risk. The sooner the majority get vaccinated the sooner shops, pubs, football stadiums, etc open again and life gets back to normal

[Cleve van Leef]

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The Pfizer jab is a bit quirky regarding distribution but should not be a problem. In Wales -70c storage is in two sites, I know not where. From there the vaccine can be moved around for up to 5 days at fridge temperature. It comes as a frozen powder a vial containing five doses. Once the powder has thawed it needs to diluted. So far nothing too difficult. Once diluted the 5 dose vial must be used within 6 hours. With dilution it must not be vigourously agitated, but must gently rotated to get the powder dissolved. Once in liquid form it cannot be transported by a motor vehicle ( because the transport might cause agitation)....so in effect it should be diluted at the place it is going to be used, like say a nursing/ care home.
In practice a team should be able to move into a nursing home/ village hall etc. and get going. With a bit of forward planning it should not be a problem.

Christ your talking of Drakeford & Co., do you expect miracles? We could all be dead by May and he’d still be saying it’s not a sprint.

[lisvaneblue]

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Christ your talking of Drakeford & Co., do you expect miracles? We could all be dead by May and he’d still be saying it’s not a sprint.

BBC News Wales website....Wales has given just 50,000 doses since 8 December out of the 270,000 doses it has received. At last some honesty from them. Shame on Drakeford and Gething for trying to hide this from us for so long

[Vindec]

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The Pfizer jab is a bit quirky regarding distribution but should not be a problem. In Wales -70c storage means the vaccine is held in two sites, I know not where. From there the vaccine can be moved around for up to 5 days at fridge temperature. It comes as a frozen powder a vial containing five doses. Once the powder has thawed it needs to diluted. So far nothing too difficult. Once diluted the 5 dose vial must be used within 6 hours. With dilution it must not be vigourously agitated, but must gently rotated to get the powder dissolved. Once in liquid form it cannot be transported by a motor vehicle ( because the transport might cause agitation)....so in effect it should be diluted at the place it is going to be used, like say a nursing/ care home.
In practice a team should be able to move into a nursing home/ village hall etc. and get going. With a bit of forward planning it should not be a problem.

Thanks for that. Bang goes my theory. That's the last time I shall look for reasons to defend Drakeford and Co.

[goats]

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BBC News Wales website....Wales has given just 50,000 doses since 8 December out of the 270,000 doses it has received. At last some honesty from them. Shame on Drakeford and Gething for trying to hide this from us for so long

Incredible if true and time to step aside.....

[Delbert]

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Cwm Taf Morgannwg University Health Board (Bridgend, RCT, Merthyr) have published their vaccination statistics to 7th January and the planned delivery of vaccine for next week https://cwmtafmorgannwg.wales/wp-con...e-08-01-21.pdf

[The Bloop]

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BBC News Wales website....Wales has given just 50,000 doses since 8 December out of the 270,000 doses it has received. At last some honesty from them. Shame on Drakeford and Gething for trying to hide this from us for so long

Incredible if true and time to step aside.....

50k up to 3 January
Be interesting to see what the total is now that theyve been giving the Oxford vaccine this week. My other half had hers on Thursday at Cwmbran stadium and said it was really busy.

[the other bob wilson]

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Up to 70,000 now and Vaughan Gething promising a "really significant step up" from now on;-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55605111

[Harry Paget Flashman]

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Up to 70,000 now and Vaughan Gething promising a "really significant step up" from now on;-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55605111

So now on par or marginally ahead of Englands roll out?

[olderblue]

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They have no excuse for this , they knew they were having the vaccine delivered and should have been planning for that weeks ago
This lot couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery, because they know they're going to keep their jobs anyway they have a complete contempt for the general public
I don't want to hear Drakeford or chippy answering that they won't get into that when asked a difficult question
We need answers as a right not because they don't fancy handling a straight question.
On the hole the Welsh Journos have given them a free ride and almost act in a sycophantic manner to the them, it was only the guy from WOL, who actually started pressing for answers last week

[The Bloop]

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If it wasn't for us being compared to the other home nations, there wouldn't be so many complaints.

[Vindec]

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So now on par or marginally ahead of Englands roll out?

Slightly below England but near enough.

[Former Labour leader]

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I think a lot of you have fallen for the machismo of Johnson and his acolytes. Promising a million of this and a million of that.
Just to remind you, so far the UK Government has just about fecked everything they have done during the coronavirus crisis and dont get me started on brexit.
I will be the first to call out Drakeford if he fecks up the vaccination roll out, but just because he is not making grand promises does not mean he is behind the curve. I will see what happens over next week or so before I jump on the Anti Welsh Government bandwagon.