That's a shiithousing response.Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
We'll try this again.
What do you think (in your own words) Johnson was apologising for?
Yours in anticipation.
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That's a shiithousing response.
We'll try this again.
What do you think (in your own words) Johnson was apologising for?
Yours in anticipation.
I'll answer - for being a ****
he was saying that he took total responsibility for 100,000 deaths. But you know, I know and the country knows that health is devolved and his responsibilites for health are for England only. Glad to say he did not get into dividing the cake, he took it on in total.
Why on earth have we got a health minister in Wales who keeps on telling us that he makes this decision, that decision, the vaccine programme roll out etc?
Suppose, just suppose that Wales had got really low levels of Covid and a low death rate to go with it compared to other parts of UK. Do you really think Drakeford would say thanks to Boris for doing that. You can't have it both ways.
Health is devolved to the home nations and whatever you infer the responsibility for Wales health rests totally with the Senedd.
So a prime minister can take full responsibility for ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DEATHS of his own people, and not resign?
in your world does any of the responsibility belong with (i) Mark Drakeford and (ii) the British people for failing to stay at home and help contain the virus.
Yes, in my world it does. But the Prime Minister has taken full responsibility.
I don't think there'd be such a long thread about lardy's opinions.
In your world, does the prime minister taking full responsibility for 100k deaths and not resigning for it seem ok?
if he is fully responsible then yes. i don't think he is though, i think the British public have to take their fair share of the blame for not staying home, travelling from place to place, having parties, raves and whatnot.
Yes the government, whether UK or Welsh, could have done better, much better, but there is no point in putting in place what could have been effective measures if the general public don't pay attention and ignore it.
we'd be ****ed in a zombie apocalypse, with many running towards the undead.
Doesn't matter what you think. Doesn't matter what I think.
He has taken full responsibility for a hundred thousand people dying and not resigned.
So do you think the British public should resign?
if wales' response to the pandemic had been "perfect" how much lower do you think the death rate per capita would have been than England, given that many of the measures to address the virus were in the UK government's control.
10% 15%
probably not much higher, given that the UK government failed on border control, test and trace, eat out to help out, etc.
we'll the death rate in Wales is currently 8% lower than England.
despite an older, poorer population in Wales, with more underlying health problems.
Thanks for that response.
Next question, as Johnson stated in his apology do you believe the government did everything they could do to minimise the loss of life?
There have been some basic mistakes :
Firstly an ill prepared health service. Lack of PPE, lack of specialist equipment, lack of capacity. An organisation now ruled by bureaucracy and slow to react. There is no doubt the service needs more money and an organisational overall.
Secondly...Reluctance to act fast on lockdowns, then easing them too quickly, coupled with lax compliance by sectors of the public, modest punishment for rule breakers, plus a soft touch police force. A four nations approach caused confusion.
Third....muddled thinking...politics v science...created some big mistakes...care home residents returning after hospitalisation without tests, an inadequate track and trace system, delay in insistence on mask wearing, airports open etc
The one big plus for me is the speed in which we procured vaccines, and in quantity
I don't know why you bother, you're trying to push water uphill
I think that applies to you as well
I don’t know why anyone bothers knocking the government, and I agree they have been shocking most of the time, even the eat out to help out probably started the second wave ffs....but this is Britain, whoever would have been in control would have no doubt faced the same issues as we’ve run the NHS down over the last 15 years....so many things done wrong like mentioned above, not least care homes and not closing borders last March.
I'm definitely not saying a labour government wouldn't have the same mistakes. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be an enquiry held into our response nor does it mean the government shouldn't be held accountable for what they've done. I'm also being genuine when I say previous tory governments wouldn't have botched it as bad as this one, it is genuinley the worst cabinet we've ever had by a distance.
The jobs for the boys and handing out billions to mates for track and trace etc is one of the biggest crimes going.
I think in respect of closing the borders the government were on a sticky wicket. close the borders and end up with none or significantly fewer cases and the public will complain of overkill. Keep the borders open and see what happens has allowed the virus to spread.
I read an article yesterday where a professor at some London Hospital had suggested that the NHS had been underfunded since the mid 70s, so this issue transcends the political spectrum
We'll have a public enquiry post pandemic, lessons will be learned, and one of them hopefully is we need to be a little but more appreciative of both public and private healthcare provision here in the UK. Its amongst the best in the world. Another lesson learned would be to delegate immediate executive authority to the chief medical officer so decisions are based solely on science and not political expediency.
His “basic mistakes” were the fundamental reasons we found ourselves in the position we are.
The “big plus... the speed in which we procured vaccines...”
Bit like getting a shot of penicillin after you caught the fuucking clap.
For a lad who has avast experience of the medical industry, you have a skewed strategy in these things. I thought prevention was better than cure?
you'd probably have enjoyed the actual act of getting the clap though.
you'd probably have enjoyed the actual act of getting the clap though.
Not always after some reflection.
[QUOTE=Jordi Culé;5162621]His “basic mistakes” were the fundamental reasons we found ourselves in the position we are.
The “big plus... the speed in which we procured vaccines...”
Bit like getting a shot of penicillin after you caught the fuucking clap.
For a lad who has avast experience of the medical industry, you have a skewed strategy in these things. I thought prevention was better than cure?[/QUOTE]
I think you missed the point. The vaccine does prevent it.
[QUOTE=lisvaneblue;5162704]Fair point and I stand corrected, although I’m right in thinking receiving the one of the vaccines doesn’t stop the virus being caught by the individual and vaccinated persons can still spread the virus about?
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