Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

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It doesn't. A vaccine teaches your body how to deal with the virus. It cannot stop you catching it.

I get that and accept I was being a little simplistic but it still remains that if someone who has had it then gets a severe attack of the virus it must mean that the vaccine didn't work in the first place.
You shirley cannot say that if a person gets a severe attack after having the vaccine and then recovers that this demonstrates that it works better on people with severe cases than those with mild or no virus problems?
That makes no sense what so ever.

[Croesy Blue]

I get that and accept I was being a little simplistic but it still remains that if someone who has had it then gets a severe attack of the virus it must mean that the vaccine didn't work in the first place.
You shirley cannot say that if a person gets a severe attack after having the vaccine and then recovers that this demonstrates that it works better on people with severe cases than those with mild or no virus problems?
That makes no sense what so ever.

I have got no idea what you're getting at.

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I have got no idea what you're getting at.

Simole really. From TOBW's post:

they said that the vaccine works better on people with severe attacks.

If it works they should not be having attacks.

If they are giving it to people who are already suffering from as severe attack then they are using it as a cure not a preventative. (I'm sure they are not actually doing this)

[Croesy Blue]

Simole really. From TOBW's post:

they said that the vaccine works better on people with severe attacks.

If it works they should not be having attacks.

If they are giving it to people who are already suffering from as severe attack then they are using it as a cure not a preventative. (I'm sure they are not actually doing this)

No vaccines are 100% effective at stopping everyone getting ill.

They aren't giving it to people who are already ill. They give it to people, some people still catch the virus but it stops them getting it severely.

So most people won't get covid, the ones that do still get covid won't get it bad enough to need to go to hospital.

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No vaccines are 100% effective at stopping everyone getting ill.

They aren't giving it to people who are already ill. They give it to people, some people still catch the virus but it stops them getting it severely.

So most people won't get covid, the ones that do still get covid won't get it bad enough to need to go to hospital.

I understand the way it works which is why Iquestioned the statement that it works "66 per cent effective (85 per cent for preventing serious cases) "
It is the reference to serious cases I question. If it works how do they know that Mr A or Mrs B would have had serious effects?
And if they do have serious effect than it hasn't worked.

[Croesy Blue]

I understand the way it works which is why Iquestioned the statement that it works "66 per cent effective (85 per cent for preventing serious cases) "
It is the reference to serious cases I question. If it works how do they know that Mr A or Mrs B would have had serious effects?
And if they do have serious effect than it hasn't worked.

I don't think know, it's just 85% of people who got ill after taking the vaccine didn't get serious illness when compared to the placebo group.

[lardy]

I understand the way it works which is why Iquestioned the statement that it works "66 per cent effective (85 per cent for preventing serious cases) "
It is the reference to serious cases I question. If it works how do they know that Mr A or Mrs B would have had serious effects?
And if they do have serious effect than it hasn't worked.

They compare it to a placebo group.

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They compare it to a placebo group.

The placebo group is not relavent to the question.
They can say that people in the olacebo group got severe syptoms, I agree. But that is not what they said.
They said as I quoted: It is 85% effective in peventing severe symptoms. If sypmtoms are prevented how can they say that a person would, without the vaccine have had severe symptoms? It's nonsense.